Not just tourists!

[Deleted]

It's not just tourists that get the H&C and the Circle mixed up, TfL do it too!

[Chris M]

If you read Annie Mole's blog, thats the sort of thing I expect she'd enjoy commenting on!

[Colin]

I suspect it has occurred because at that time of day some H&C trains become Circles after leaving Aldgate East. In essence the information is correct, but at the same time it does amount to unnecessary confusion.

[c5]

colin said:

I suspect it has occurred because at that time of day some H&C trains become Circles after leaving Aldgate East. In essence the information is correct, but at the same time it does amount to unnecessary confusion.

It sounds like one of the Barking start ups for that time of the day. Will have to have a look in the timetable.

[Deleted]

A similar thing happened to me. The District was suspended between Whitechapel and Earls Court one weekend for engineering works.

The journey planner advised me to take the district & change at Aldgate East!

Low and behold the train actually went to Aldgate East as it was one of the rusty rail moves to turn west to east, however the poor driver didn't have a clue what to say on the PA.

"The District line train is suspended past Whitechapel due to engineering works.... this train terminates at Aldgate East"

[Deleted]

It's a Barking turn out the yard to form an inner rail Circle, Train 211 I believe. It will come into Mile End with Circle on the front as there's no available destination on the blind for these sort of runs that wouldn't confuse the punters! Loads of Circles leave Hammersmith in the morning as well, there are some Hammersmith - Aldgates first thing as well (not possible to set up on the DVA either but at least it has a proper destination on the front).

[Deleted]

There's a bunch of Circles going to Barking at the end of each day as well!

[Chris M]

Will the DVAs on the S stock be able to cope with such journeys (assuming that the circle is not dropped in favour of the tea cup)

[Colin]

Well the plan AIUI is that the Met's will go to Barking, the H&C will cease to exist and the "T Cup" will be named the Circle line.

Plenty more confusion ahead then

[version3point1]

pacific said:

There's a bunch of Circles going to Barking at the end of each day as well!

Usually the last ones I believe, which is a bit strange, as I've caught them from Paddington many a late night (when FGW decide to get me to Paddington later than late!) from the Circle/District Line platforms (at Paddington), expecting it to be the H&C.

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colin said:

Well the plan AIUI is that the Met's will go to Barking, the H&C will cease to exist and the "T Cup" will be named the Circle line.

That sounds like a good idea Colin Nothing like variety for our Edgware Rd and Hammersmith crews! With the loss in Barking runs could ERD crews get Met Main stuff as well (knows it's going off topic, but interested).

[Colin]

It was mooted that some 7 car S stocks will stable at Neasden, like the C stocks used to, so who knows

There was also talk that the Edgware Road drivers will be road trained from High Street Ken to Wimbledon - but this seems a bit daft as if such a driver needed to be diverted from Earls Court..................

[Deleted]

they could go along to Gloucester road...

[Colin]

I'm thinking more about being diverted to the west.

[Deleted]

this happens at a number of points on the system though, like the Piccadily at Rayners Lane. What if the line to South Harrow was blocked for example

[c5]

They would reverse at Rayner's Lane via the siding and worked to Uxbridge - sidings if trained or to Ruislip sidings or just keep going Rayners - Uxbridge - Rayners.

Or, they could always be conducted to Neasden Depot out of the way by a suitably qualified member of staff....

[Deleted]

so a pilot man could take a train from Earls Court then, or it could go back to Wimbledon...

The S stock is good as a District Line man can take any train from Barking if there is no Met relief for example. Very good for flexibility the S stock will be.

[Deleted]

I'm still not convinced about the platform/siding lengthening that will have to be done to accomodate S stock on the west end of the Circle and Hammersmith.... Sounds like a hell of a lot of money and work will have to be done and stabling capacity will be reduced. It will be interesting if nothing else!

[prjb]

awkward42 said:

Will the DVAs on the S stock be able to cope with such journeys (assuming that the circle is not dropped in favour of the tea cup)

Yes, the Customer Information System (CIS) on the 'S' will be vastly improved over the current systems and will be programmed to handle these kind of quirks.

[prjb]

colin said:

Well the plan AIUI is that the Met's will go to Barking, the H&C will cease to exist and the "T Cup" will be named the Circle line.

Plenty more confusion ahead then

Colin is quite right, although the name for the T Cup service has not yet been finalised. I personally favour the 'Circle and Hammersmith line', but thats just me. Also, the whole plan has not yet been confirmed but it is currently the accepted way forward and Metronet show it in their upgrade program.

[prjb]

alexh said:

colin said:

Well the plan AIUI is that the Met's will go to Barking, the H&C will cease to exist and the "T Cup" will be named the Circle line.

That sounds like a good idea Colin Nothing like variety for our Edgware Rd and Hammersmith crews! With the loss in Barking runs could ERD crews get Met Main stuff as well (knows it's going off topic, but interested).

No. There are no plans for crews from Edgware Road to cover the Met. Although we may end up having to stable some S7's at Wembley Park (a bit like we used to do on nights). Again though nothing is confirmed.

[prjb]

colin said:

There was also talk that the Edgware Road drivers will be road trained from High Street Ken to Wimbledon - but this seems a bit daft as if such a driver needed to be diverted from Earls Court..................

Whilst nothing has been finalised, this is being seriously considered as an option.

[prjb]

prakash said:

I'm still not convinced about the platform/siding lengthening that will have to be done to accomodate S stock on the west end of the Circle and Hammersmith.

I am not aware of any plans to lengthen any sidings on the C&H. We already know that we are going to lose Farringdon, Edgware Road, and virtually all of Triangle sidings. Plans are being put in place as we speak to overcome this loss of stabling space.
It is a problem but it is not a show stopper. It's just a consequence of increasing the customer carrying capacity, which can only be a good thing.

[c5]

prjb said:

prakash said:

I'm still not convinced about the platform/siding lengthening that will have to be done to accomodate S stock on the west end of the Circle and Hammersmith.

I am not aware of any plans to lengthen any sidings on the C&H. We already know that we are going to lose Farringdon, Edgware Road, and virtually all of Triangle sidings. Plans are being put in place as we speak to overcome this loss of stabling space.
It is a problem but it is not a show stopper. It's just a consequence of increasing the customer carrying capacity, which can only be a good thing.

With all those sidings gone, were will the trains go when the drivers go over their hours.....

[solidbond]

c5 said:

prjb said:

I am not aware of any plans to lengthen any sidings on the C&H. We already know that we are going to lose Farringdon, Edgware Road, and virtually all of Triangle sidings. Plans are being put in place as we speak to overcome this loss of stabling space.
It is a problem but it is not a show stopper. It's just a consequence of increasing the customer carrying capacity, which can only be a good thing.

With all those sidings gone, were will the trains go when the drivers go over their hours.....

Call me cynical, but from LU's point of view, that would be a good thing then ;D ;D ;D

[towerman]

Does this loss of sdgs on the SSL mean the Jubilee will have to leave Neasden?

[Colin]

It was stated some time ago by 'citysig' that the Jubbly would leave Neasden as it'd make signalling the area (ie, interaction with the Met) a heck of a lot easier given that control of the north end of the jubbly is to be removed from Baker Street when ATO is introduced. The relevant post is reply#43 found in THIS THREAD.

[trainopd78]

prjb said:

colin said:

There was also talk that the Edgware Road drivers will be road trained from High Street Ken to Wimbledon - but this seems a bit daft as if such a driver needed to be diverted from Earls Court..................

Whilst nothing has been finalised, this is being seriously considered as an option.

Please don't. Earls Court is bad enough to get through as it is. Imagine what it'll be like with Edgware Road and Hammersmith crews going through it!!! We'll be blocking back to Upminster!!