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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2006 8:41:53 GMT
This thing, which looks like a short length of old rail on its side, has been bolted down and had the ends painted white. It is betweeen the negative and right-hand running rails at the northern end of the southbound Piccadilly Line platform at Kings Cross. Click for a larger photo. What is it for?
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Post by Oracle on Jun 26, 2006 9:50:25 GMT
I should know that and the other platform from memory because of my interest in the King's Cross and Euston loops. Note the white painted chairs, the white-painted 'other' end of the rail, and the white marker? square. Plus the wrong road signal, or so it appears, which is nonsensical as the #-over is south of the NB platform and the loop is south of the NB. If this was the south end of the NB platform then I would have suggested that it was for t/ops to ensure that they had cleared the junction when coming off/going to the Northern but am now intrigued as well!
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Post by CSLR on Jun 26, 2006 10:11:24 GMT
We are actually talking about several things here. The original question asked about the piece of rail that is between the rails. I think you will find that this is nothing more than a spare section of rail. You will find lengths of these all over the system that are available as replacement sections in case of an emergency (eg. broken/cracked rail) They are usually secured to the sleepers with a couple of bolts to stop them being moved and fouling the track. They often have white paint slapped on the ends as a visible warning to track walkers. Any members with P-Way experience may be able to confirm these points.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2006 10:27:48 GMT
I should know that and the other platform from memory because of my interest in the King's Cross and Euston loops. Note the white painted chairs, the white-painted 'other' end of the rail, and the white marker? square. Plus the wrong road signal, or so it appears, which is nonsensical as the #-over is south of the NB platform and the loop is south of the NB. If this was the south end of the NB platform then I would have suggested that it was for t/ops to ensure that they had cleared the junction when coming off/going to the Northern but am now intrigued as well! It is definately the southbound platform, as Antharro, his girlfriend and I took a train from Kings Cross to Leicester Square.
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Post by Colin on Jun 26, 2006 10:31:40 GMT
I would suggest that it's simply a bit of 'dumped' rail, and someone's got too much spare paint and time. There are only two methods used to provide stopping marks. One is the green area sometimes seen on the wall or along a barrier at the end of the platform - the other is a plate with either a diamond, number, specific stock letter/No., or other wording. We do not use old rails as stop markers.
The white square on the sleeper is not paint, but a plastic plate with info for the Pway bods.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 26, 2006 10:33:24 GMT
So is that a wrong-road signal or a fixed stop? Or an error on the photo?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2006 10:33:34 GMT
Plus the wrong road signal, or so it appears IIRC, this is just a fixed red light rather than a wrong road starter.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 26, 2006 10:36:48 GMT
My brain has packed up. Too many thoughts about military vehicles that need to be written about. So excuse my ignorance but why is there a fixed red when the reversing is done in the NB, either SB or to/from the loop?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2006 10:50:32 GMT
I don't know. Antharro and I had a short discussion about this and could not come up with any answers.
Is there a trainstop here to catch a train rolling backwards?
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Post by Phil on Jun 26, 2006 10:58:15 GMT
Wrong road 'starter' is a signal fixed at danger to prevent a recurrence....
A few years ago a newish driver was told to reverse at KX to return north. He changed ends at set off northbound wrong road thinking he would find a crossover.......instead he found himself heading towards the next S/B train!
Fortunately the driver of the S/B was on the ball and discharged traction current in enough time to prevent contact. Driver of 'N/B' reverser (apart from creating in his mind a crossover that didn't exist at York Road) said in evidence there was no signal to stop him so he thought it was an authorised move.
There is now!!
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Post by Harsig on Jun 26, 2006 11:08:26 GMT
Wrong road 'starter' is a signal fixed at danger to prevent a recurrence.... A few years ago a newish driver was told to reverse at KX to return north. He changed ends at set off northbound wrong road thinking he would find a crossover.......instead he found himself heading towards the next S/B train! Fortunately the driver of the S/B was on the ball and discharged traction current in enough time to prevent contact. Driver of 'N/B' reverser (apart from creating in his mind a crossover that didn't exist at York Road) said in evidence there was no signal to stop him so he thought it was an authorised move. There is now!! And it caused fixed red lights to spring up at all sorts of locations, not just Kings Cross.
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Post by Oracle on Jun 26, 2006 12:05:41 GMT
What sort of reception at home depot did HE get I wonder? Wow!
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Now I have had a re-thunk, is it a signalled move to reverse SB-NB via the #-over? Never considered it before!
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Post by robots on Jun 27, 2006 18:02:12 GMT
The driver concerned in the wrong direction reversal incident
at Kings Cross was in fact very experienced. He did return
to driving following a period in a lower grade. However he
then took early retirement and I heard that he died
prematurely in Thailand.
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Post by Phil on Jun 27, 2006 21:40:56 GMT
The driver concerned in the wrong direction reversal incident at Kings Cross was in fact very experienced. Thanks - I stand corrected.
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Post by stanmorek on Jul 16, 2006 20:38:56 GMT
We are actually talking about several things here. The original question asked about the piece of rail that is between the rails. I think you will find that this is nothing more than a spare section of rail. You will find lengths of these all over the system that are available as replacement sections in case of an emergency (eg. broken/cracked rail) They are usually secured to the sleepers with a couple of bolts to stop them being moved and fouling the track. They often have white paint slapped on the ends as a visible warning to track walkers. Any members with P-Way experience may be able to confirm these points. I agree with all your points CSLR. Unless the rail has been cut it looks the right length for a ten-ten rail. The white plate looks like a BRS marker which are placed every 100/200m intervals to mark out the chainage between stations. As for the painted chairs I'm not sure but they may have been marked in advance of a survey or maintenance work. You'll sometimes see parts of the track marked up for ultrasonic inspections.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2006 15:37:47 GMT
that would be a bit of dumped rail they have to paint it white or otherwise you might not see it and trip over it its bolted down so it cannot move if it moved you could get a track failure (signal) or a negative earth if it touched the negative traction rail and the running rail
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Post by stanmorek on Jul 21, 2006 23:06:51 GMT
Correct and a good excuse for a P-Way man to hop onto the negi and balance across it. A popular way of passing over P&Cs too ;D
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