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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2007 23:25:45 GMT
It was thought that whereas with normal Arsenal matches the home fans know of the range of local stations/routes to choose from, but with the Brazil vs Portugal friendly which may have attracted lots of fans who don't know the local area - all assumed Arsenal was the only station to serve the stadium and all duely used the Picc Line to get there! Which is why I say rename the station Gillespie Road!!! That'll clear up the confusion which may arise, in the future!
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Post by Chris M on Feb 8, 2007 23:43:03 GMT
The simple solution to that is to rename Arsenal back to Gillespie Road. That way people will be forced to look up which station to use, and that info will display the range of transport provision diluting the impact
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 19:34:10 GMT
Well, why not put, on the large tubemaps a little icon, saying that theres a musem of place of interest nearby, then in the key to sumbols, put whatever it is, so for Holloway Road, say Emirates Stadium, xx mins walk...
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 10, 2007 20:16:45 GMT
But that would mean even *more* information on an already overloaded map!
I agree with Chris M, I imagine a lot of people just think "uh-Arsenal-uh-station-uh-we-uh-go-uh-there".
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Post by agoodcuppa on Feb 10, 2007 20:39:27 GMT
I imagine a lot of people just think Can I suggest that you should consider reconfiguring your imagination? Few people seem to do as you currently imagine.
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Post by SE13 on Feb 11, 2007 13:33:45 GMT
There is a lot of ground to cover in this thread, but I'll throw my twopenneth worth in anyway.
Firstly Arsenal Tube will never be renamed. It will always remain Arsenal, and not Gillespie Road.
Secondly, prior to the seats at Highbury, we used to get up to 60,000 in there, and out again without a problem. Yes there were queues to get into Arsenal, Finsbury Park and Holloway Road Tube, but they dispersed very quickly. There were enough trains running on The Picc and The Victoria to cope quite happily. Given that Ashburton Grove is a stones throw from Highbury and that crowds are back to the 60,000 level after fifteen years of 38,500, why is the system suddenly struggling to cope?
Busses in the area can be something of a nightmare, and I'm not altogether sure that there are enough top trains running at times when people need to move.
I am presuming that The Picc is running to full capacity at the end of games?
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 11, 2007 13:51:14 GMT
OK - they're football supporters - thus they don't think.
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Post by SE13 on Feb 11, 2007 14:25:05 GMT
OK - they're football supporters - thus they don't think. The problems are not associated with the supporters, merely the volume of them. There are a huge number of people all wanting to go home at the same time, and the system simply can't cope. Going back a bit, I was under the impression that Arsenal Tube and Finsbury Park Tube were to be improved with the building of Ashburton Grove. There was talk of extra platforms at Arsenal, and a complete refit for Finsbury Park, supposedly partially funded by Arsenal. There was also mention of some form of station under the new ground, which would have been fully funded by Arsenal, but I think that went by the by. Again, earlier in the thread, someone mentioned renaming Arsenal "Gillespie Road" which was it's former name. Arsenal actually funded the entire change of the stations name, including new maps, direction boards and train headers. The name will never change, but I see the point as to why it was suggested. Sadly, as in every City, unless you know the area, it would be difficult to know any other way, so people are always going to head for Arsenal Tube, and I still do when I go down. The official Club website gives excellant directions on how to get there, which station to use, so it's down to ignorance that people try to cram into the wrong place. See Here For DetailsHowever, I think that adding options to the Tube Map might help. For instance if there was something along the lines of "For Arsenal" under the station names at both Finsbury Park and Holloway Road, people would then know that there are three stations serving the ground.
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 11, 2007 14:48:12 GMT
But then where do we stop? Why should one football ground be a special case and have several stations dedicated to it?
If the football club promised to fund extra capacity at stations, it should have been done such that their new ground could not be opened until this was done. It seems like they have the attitude "we're a football club, the general public* love us, they're LU, the general public hate them, thus popular opinion will side with us".
* - thick, stupid and gullible
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Post by SE13 on Feb 11, 2007 15:00:28 GMT
Well, something has to be done to stop people being the victims of delays due to a football game.
I'm not saying that Ashburton Grove should be a special case, but I am trying to point out a solution to the congestion caused by naivity.
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 11, 2007 15:06:35 GMT
...and if the football club said they would fund improvements to public transport to cater for the chaos they cause, they should be forced to pay for such improvements. If they don't, their stadium should be closed until such time as they do put things right.
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Post by sm on Feb 11, 2007 17:35:50 GMT
move them back to Woolwich...
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Post by trainopd78 on Feb 11, 2007 17:45:22 GMT
Although the stadium used to hold 60,000 before full seating was installed, the underground unfortunately for these fans had seen its ridership increase dramatically since that period, so there is less capacity for the supporters to pour into.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 22:46:44 GMT
Still on the subject of football... Behind Chelsea ground, there was a set of disused platforms... I mean, these were closer than Drayton Park is... why not see if we can get Chelsea to fund the re-opening of these platforms... I mean, the West London Railway isnt exactly a bottleneck service operation, so could probably cope with longer dwell times...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 21:11:53 GMT
That would be Chelsea and Fulham station. Remember that they will be building a new station near there called Imperial Wharf. But I do not know exactly where yet as I have not seen any building work so far.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 21:14:21 GMT
That would be Chelsea and Fulham station. Remember that they will be building a new station near there called Imperial Wharf. But I do not know exactly where yet as I have not seen any building work so far. Yeah, nowt much has occured... they seem to be concentrating more on getting that Shepherds Bush one finished!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2007 21:25:50 GMT
That would be Chelsea and Fulham station. Remember that they will be building a new station near there called Imperial Wharf. But I do not know exactly where yet as I have not seen any building work so far. Yeah, nowt much has occured... they seem to be concentrating more on getting that Shepherds Bush one finished! Either the same firm are building one at a time, or there is a rush to get Shepherds Bush finished for when the new shopping centre opens.
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Post by SE13 on Feb 17, 2007 14:07:00 GMT
Meantime, a postponed game against Manchester City has yet again been postponed due to "unforeseen" works at Arsenal tube.
What sort of notice are LUL supposed to give on work?
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Post by District Dave on Feb 17, 2007 14:18:32 GMT
Meantime, a postponed game against Manchester City has yet again been postponed due to "unforeseen" works at Arsenal tube. What sort of notice are LUL supposed to give on work? If you go here www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/travelinfo/realtime/planned.asp and then find the link for a list of planned station and track closures you will see that this covers the next six months. Full lists are available in .pdf format. Of course, this cannot take account of any emergency closures.
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Post by SE13 on Feb 18, 2007 9:00:32 GMT
Hmmm... That states that the work was planned, yet Arsenal state that it was unforseen.
Why would they plan a game when work was known about?
Madness!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2007 9:20:41 GMT
Remember that they will be building a new station near there called Imperial Wharf. Imperial Wharf station is to be located just north of the river. Approx 10 minute walk from Stamford Bridge.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Feb 18, 2007 9:34:06 GMT
That states that the work was planned, yet Arsenal state that it was unforseen. If someone, perhaps a football club (purely for example you'll understand ), fails to ask LU about their engineering arrangements on a particular day and consequently didn't know that a section of line or a station was due to be closed then it is "unforeseen" as far as that person or organisation is concerned. Isn't the telephone a marvellous invention? What a shame more people don't make use of it!
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Post by Phil on Feb 18, 2007 10:31:07 GMT
That states that the work was planned, yet Arsenal state that it was unforseen. If someone, perhaps a football club (purely for example you'll understand ), fails to ask LU about their engineering arrangements on a particular day and consequently didn't know that a section of line or a station was due to be closed then it is "unforeseen" as far as that person or organisation is concerned. Isn't the telephone a marvellous invention? What a shame more people don't make use of it! But it does raise the question of who should tell who. For example, it's not the police who contact the football clubs, it's the other way round. So perhaps Arsenal were expecting to be told rather than find out: and maybe that's the way it had always been done previously. And since fixtures are generally planned by the FA themselves does anyone seriously expect them to go through every transpor plan for every region before constructing a fixture list? A bit onerous that....
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Post by agoodcuppa on Feb 18, 2007 13:04:09 GMT
I see your point Phil, but firstly, it doesn't take much, apart from a bit of thought, for someone within the office fixing the matches to contact the various transport providers and ask for a list of closures over the next n months or whatever.
They could also plan their fixtures and send relevant parts to LU etc and ask if any work is planned for those dates at those locations.
Co-operation is a two way thing and without it we get stupid situations like this. The biggest problem is that many people take public transport for granted and the fact that the railway needs renewing simply doesn't enter their thoughts until too late.
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Post by SE13 on Feb 18, 2007 13:07:21 GMT
The problem with this fixture, is that it has been re-arranged more times than I care to count. Each time, there is something, for example Cup Replays that take priority, so the game gets switched again. This time, they finally worked it all out, then called it off for the station works.
Bit of a communication break down me thinks....
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Post by Phil on Feb 18, 2007 14:07:31 GMT
The problem with this fixture, is that it has been re-arranged more times than I care to count. Each time, there is something, for example Cup Replays that take priority, so the game gets switched again. This time, they finally worked it all out, then called it off for the station works. Bit of a communication break down me thinks.... So, taken to the extreme, with all the fixtures backlog, Arsenal could this season get to the last day for a (league) match to be played at home and TfL say it can't be due to transport considerations......... How would the Premier League take to being told their season must be extended?? Something's not right here, but I can't spot what it is. By comparison, when Network Rail decided to close the GW main line to Cardiff at the last Cup match (rugby?), long after the match was arranged, they were just allowed to do it and s*d the poor fans.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2007 14:34:55 GMT
At a guess, I'd wager a bet that Arsenal or indeed the FA, pays TFL for provision of services and such...
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Post by SE13 on Feb 18, 2007 15:29:48 GMT
The problem with this fixture, is that it has been re-arranged more times than I care to count. Each time, there is something, for example Cup Replays that take priority, so the game gets switched again. This time, they finally worked it all out, then called it off for the station works. Bit of a communication break down me thinks.... So, taken to the extreme, with all the fixtures backlog, Arsenal could this season get to the last day for a (league) match to be played at home and TfL say it can't be due to transport considerations......... How would the Premier League take to being told their season must be extended?? Something's not right here, but I can't spot what it is. By comparison, when Network Rail decided to close the GW main line to Cardiff at the last Cup match (rugby?), long after the match was arranged, they were just allowed to do it and s*d the poor fans..... I am not altogether sure that either TFL nor The Police can extend the season. It is down to the clubs concerned to get the postponed fixtures squeezed in. But in reality, why can't the supporters alight at Holloway Road and walk a bit, after all, they will be on the same train in the first place. It means a bit of discomfort, and a touch of overcrowding, but it would be a one-off. Just for reference, how many trains can The Picc cope with, say from Cockfosters to KX per hour? If they can run fast enough, then the crowd problem will not be an issue, neither will the closure of Arsenal Tube.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2007 15:37:25 GMT
If matches played on a Saturday or Sunday, it would be even better if Drayton Park opened... Someone needs to talk to First Capital Connect/WAGN about provding a weekend service.
Not sure about service frequencies north of KNX, I would suggest around 24tph???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2007 16:16:15 GMT
It really does not matter how many traines the picc can come with its holloway road which would not be able to cope thats why it always ends up closeing etc
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