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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2007 18:42:34 GMT
Evening all. Today there seemed to be a 4 car Victoria Line 1972MkII wondering up and down the eastbound local track between Northfields & Acton Town, with a load of engineers and equipment inside. Was wondering If anybody knew why this was there? Cheers, David  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2007 21:03:13 GMT
i saw the same unit today i think its on contract work like transfering enginering crews or maybe having a routine repair job
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 20:00:51 GMT
And it's been sitting in South Ealing EB Local all week doing nothing. It's already had a spray job done on it. I presume the other 4 cars are the ones I could see on the sidings on the far side of EC Depot as I was coming down the bank into Acton.
If anyone can enlighten me if these sidings have a name one would be most grateful.
Cheers.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 12, 2007 20:29:46 GMT
ISTR reading somewhere they were known as the "alps" by drivers as they were on slightly higher ground within the depot? I may be wrong, though.
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Post by c5 on Jul 12, 2007 20:38:18 GMT
ISTR reading somewhere they were known as the "alps" by drivers as they were on slightly higher ground within the depot? I may be wrong, though. That's the way into the Ealing Common depot from Acton Town's Eastbound platforms. I did know the name of the line when I did my road training in the area!But cant recall it just now!. It does have a section of tramway and a platform that they used for loading weights onto the trains for testing purposes! |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jul 12, 2007 20:40:34 GMT
Whoops, do ignore me then . |
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Post by c5 on Jul 12, 2007 20:43:23 GMT
Whoops, do ignore me then . No, I'll let you off. Just the once though  |
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Post by edb on Jul 12, 2007 22:30:16 GMT
Would they not be 67 stock from the Vicky line?
72 MKII are married with some 72MKI on the Bakerloo?
With 67 stock being added as and when once the upgrade starts really rolling?
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Post by Colin on Jul 13, 2007 2:03:35 GMT
ISTR reading somewhere they were known as the "alps" by drivers as they were on slightly higher ground within the depot? I may be wrong, though. That's the way into the Ealing Common depot from Acton Town's Eastbound platforms. I did know the name of the line when I did my road training in the area!But cant recall it just now!. It does have a section of tramway and a platform that they used for loading weights onto the trains for testing purposes! Hmm......... I think we're getting crossed wires and wrong info here......... The Alps (which are indeed higher than the rest) are the four roads (21-24) located adjacent to the roads which extend into the museum. Access to these roads is by use of 'A' road, which runs around the back of the depot (and is the one JTD refers to as having "a section of tramway and a platform that they used for loading weights onto the trains for testing purposes!"). The depot access from to/from Acton is simply known as the east end outlet/inlet road as appropriate to direction of travel. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 2:36:16 GMT
Would they not be 67 stock from the Vicky line? 72 MKII are married with some 72MKI on the Bakerloo? With 67 stock being added as and when once the upgrade starts really rolling? Quite possibly, although they looked like 72MKII's, they had the Victoria Line stickers on the front!? If they are still there tomorrow I'll stop off at South Ealing and get a better look. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2007 16:25:21 GMT
The Alps (which are indeed higher than the rest) are the four roads (21-24) located adjacent to the roads which extend into the museum. Yes those are the ones. Occasionally a C-stock is stabled there. The Alps it is then. Thanks. DOC |
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Post by prjb on Jul 13, 2007 19:06:56 GMT
OK, the original Vic line trains are indeed 67ts. When the Northern line got their 95ts some of the old 72MkI's were transferred to the Vic to make up middle units (with the obvious re-numbering). Once the 09ts start rolling out to the Vic then some of the 72MkI's will again be transferred to the Bakerloo. The 72MkI's will again make up middle units with their MkII cousins. There are no 72MkII's anywhere other than the Bakerloo line.
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Post by Tom on Jul 13, 2007 20:39:45 GMT
OK, the original Vic line trains are indeed 67ts. When the Northern line got their 95ts some of the old 72MkI's were transferred to the Vic to make up middle units (with the obvious re-numbering). It was earlier than that - late 80s I believe. |
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Post by prjb on Jul 13, 2007 21:05:45 GMT
OK, the original Vic line trains are indeed 67ts. When the Northern line got their 95ts some of the old 72MkI's were transferred to the Vic to make up middle units (with the obvious re-numbering). It was earlier than that - late 80s I believe. Your right it was earlier than that, not sure it was as early as the late eighties though? |
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Post by Tom on Jul 13, 2007 21:16:55 GMT
I think it was around the same time as (though probably slightly after) the construction of the additional cleaning shed in Northumberland Park Depot (which we always referred to as the 'Ran Roads', which were installed in 1987-88.
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Post by prjb on Jul 13, 2007 21:35:46 GMT
Oh, I guess I could be wrong then. It's just I was on the Northern in the late eighties and I don't recall any transfers. I stand corrected then! |
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Post by towerman on Jul 13, 2007 22:01:18 GMT
I would imagine the 72MK1 cars on the Victoria would actually be the leading ends when transferred to the Bakerloo,reasons being,tripcock reset cord is in right position-not under logitudinal seats like on 67TS.CTBC on 72 MK1 cars is standard,67TS is the other way round and is very tiring to use for long periods.DMV is already wired into the CTBC,no VTV like on 67TS.BTW there are already several MK1 trains on the Bakerloo upgraded to MK2's the numbers are:
3264-3564
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3266-3566
3267-3567
also 3399 ex UNDM 3439
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Post by prjb on Jul 13, 2007 23:56:36 GMT
I do not believe there are any plans to transfer any 67ts to the Bakerloo. It will only be MkI's that go.
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Post by towerman on Jul 14, 2007 0:37:31 GMT
Won't the 67's just run as permanent middle motors,like the MK1's do now on the Victoria,would save the hassle of reforming all those units.
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Post by 100andthirty on Jul 14, 2007 18:33:25 GMT
1) there are not enough '72's on the Vic to support the Bak; some 67's will have to go
2) The '72ts is testing a magic gunge called a friction modifier. It's magical properties include lowering the friction level between the wheel and the rail if it's too hivh and helping to raise it if too low.
If this sounds too good to be true - it does work in other places - and if you believe that there can't be too much friction, think again!!!!!
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Post by towerman on Jul 14, 2007 21:10:02 GMT
Sounds like "Sticklube" was already fitted to Bakerloo 12 years ago but Railtrack refused to sanction it on their bit of the railway so it was never used,maybe Notwork Rail have had a change of heart.
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Post by 100andthirty on Jul 15, 2007 6:05:06 GMT
No, it's not Sticklube - Sticklube is simply a normal lubricant in solid form and is applied the the flange root - where the wheel contacts the side of the rail when the flange is doing its job. This stuff is applied to the tread and has the ability to reduce squeel, damage to wheels and rails and to prevent rolling contact fatigue. the test is to ensure the trains still stop. Some other railways use it, but on something as important as stopping properly(!) we have to assess it for ourselves. Anyone interested might want to look here: www.kelsan.com/solutions/index.asp |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2007 9:19:12 GMT
Would this replace rail greasers?
I assume that the Bakerloo is being tested because it has some nasty curves?
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Post by 100andthirty on Jul 15, 2007 19:25:42 GMT
No - it just happend to be an available train
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