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Post by happybunny on Sept 3, 2007 19:38:07 GMT
It wasn't at the beginning of the industrial action it has just happened? Why is this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 19:48:01 GMT
i would imagine this is due to the fact that metronet are responsible for the track between Acton town and Barron's court.
And due to this fact the picc drivers have been advised by their union not to drive on tracks that have not been through the checks
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 3, 2007 19:49:32 GMT
A quick, 'off-the-top-of-head' answer may be that the lines from Barons Court tunnel mouth to Acton Town are patrolled by Metronet and nobody thought of this at the start of hostilities ?!
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Post by happybunny on Sept 3, 2007 19:49:44 GMT
They will have been through the checks though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 19:49:51 GMT
Yep, that's it precisely robster! Drivers have been told by the unions not to drive on tracks that are maintained by Metronet because of Health & Safety. Its fair enough as if there is a problem, there is no one there to deal with it, so drivers are at risk!
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Post by happybunny on Sept 3, 2007 20:07:39 GMT
In my opinion that is stupid. Im sorry but things are bad enough already. What is the worst that can happen? Track checks are every 48 hrs aren't they? If a problem develops then suspend the service. Don't make a bad situation worse for no reason!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 20:13:00 GMT
yes but then who would help to move the train in the event of a problem and evacuate it or worse
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Post by happybunny on Sept 3, 2007 20:20:15 GMT
Erm station staff... If there is a problem.. then in the VERY worst case scenario, juice turned off, train evacuated to station
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 20:23:29 GMT
sorry but if say their was a one under who would help lift the train back on the tracks etc i agree with the drivers on this one they are better playing by the book than getting suspended for a problem that had occurred that a life was lost
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Post by DWS on Sept 3, 2007 20:26:26 GMT
sorry but if say their was a one under who would help lift the train back on the tracks etc i agree with the drivers on this one they are better playing by the book than getting suspended for a problem that had occurred that a life was lost The ERU are not on strike, (part of Tube Lines).
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Post by happybunny on Sept 3, 2007 20:27:41 GMT
sorry but if say their was a one under who would help lift the train back on the tracks etc i agree with the drivers on this one they are better playing by the book than getting suspended for a problem that had occurred that a life was lost THe ERU would!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 20:45:28 GMT
isnt the eru part of metronet?
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Post by c5 on Sept 3, 2007 20:50:37 GMT
isnt the eru part of metronet? As someone else has said. The ERU are part of TubeLines.
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Post by SE13 on Sept 3, 2007 20:51:05 GMT
Have I missed something? Reports here suggest that The RMU were out for three days.... Surely that would affect everyone?
Before you shout at me, remember where I live,and the fact that news is still via pigeon!
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Post by c5 on Sept 3, 2007 20:52:47 GMT
Have I missed something? Reports here suggest that The RMU were out for three days.... Surely that would affect everyone? Before you shout at me, remember where I live,and the fact that news is still via pigeon! Only Metronet staff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 21:11:12 GMT
In my opinion that is stupid. Im sorry but things are bad enough already. What is the worst that can happen? Track checks are every 48 hrs aren't they? If a problem develops then suspend the service. Don't make a bad situation worse for no reason! If a problem occurred and a train derailed they would look rather silly if they had been driving trains over a section of track that had not be inspected. I dont blame them at all. EDIT:- I now realise how Chiltern are running, they have run a train to inspect the track.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 21:15:34 GMT
In my opinion that is stupid. Im sorry but things are bad enough already. What is the worst that can happen? Track checks are every 48 hrs aren't they? If a problem develops then suspend the service. Don't make a bad situation worse for no reason! If a problem occurred and a train derailed they would look rather silly if they had been driving trains over a section of track that had not be inspected. I dont blame them at all. I dont know why Chiltern are running, for that same reason well thats exactly what i was thinking. not only would they look silly they could cause a whole load of accidents and possibly a fatal accident
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 23:58:33 GMT
It didn't help much that we still hadn't got back on track from the earlier signal failures and other problems today...!
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Post by happybunny on Sept 4, 2007 3:15:56 GMT
I see you're point about lack of regular/correct track patrols. BUT the picc COULD have carried on running as normal until the close of traffic yesterday to help people get home etc, as the track had already been inspected surely. If Metronet were NOT on strike, then yesterday that track wouldn't have been any more inspected than it was already.
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Post by c5 on Sept 4, 2007 3:49:32 GMT
It didn't help much that we still hadn't got back on track from the earlier signal failures and other problems today...! It did help get the trains back on time though - AT LAST ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 4:11:24 GMT
I see you're point about lack of regular/correct track patrols. BUT the picc COULD have carried on running as normal until the close of traffic yesterday to help people get home etc, as the track had already been inspected surely. If Metronet were NOT on strike, then yesterday that track wouldn't have been any more inspected than it was already. But what we dont know is when it was last inspected. It may have been due for inspection late yesterday afternoon or evening?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 8:50:39 GMT
im confused now Piccadilly PICCADILLY LINE: As a result of the strike action by RMT members at Metronet, the service is suspended between Rayners Lane and Uxbridge. Severe delays are occurring on the rest of the line.
Find out more information here
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:04:23 GMT
well, Metronet maintain the Metropolitan tracks from Ranyners to Uxbridge which the Piccadily share.
I'm going down to St Pancras to watch the Eurostar later.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:06:22 GMT
yeah i know that but yesterday it listed that it was going to be closed between hydepark and acton now it does not say that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:18:20 GMT
Metrodebt also run the lines between Barons - Acton, so it was a Health & Safety risk for drivers to drive over track that isn't being maintained. Hyde Park Corner is the last reversing point before Hammersmith, and Northfields is the only one before Acton. So they kept services running over Tube Lines tracks, Cockfosters - Hyde Park and Northfields - Heathrow, because they are being maintained. Tube Lines must of been allowed to do the work between Barons Court - Acton, or they are just getting the peak out the way, and are starting to move trains around ready for the closure, and if there are severe delays it could take a while.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:28:22 GMT
It didn't help much that we still hadn't got back on track from the earlier signal failures and other problems today...! It did help get the trains back on time though - AT LAST ;D ;D ;D Yes, although there was plenty of chaos up at Cockfosters, which is where I was - while I was on my break we had three trains come in, all of which had to be stabled despite the fact that at least one was supposed to be in service... luckily Cockfosters on a weeknight is fairly dead anyway so not too many people were inconvenienced, it might have been a bit more chaotic at Southgate, I don't know.
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Post by happybunny on Sept 4, 2007 10:08:23 GMT
Ok To clear up... The Picc could have ran yesterday as the track walk/checks would have been carried out after close of traffic on Sunday night/monday morning. AFAIK track walks/checks are not carried out during traffic hours (which makes sense).
What happened today (as far as I know from putting together the pieces).. a licensed member of LUL staff carried out the track checking/walking duties last night after close of traffic with the aid of a protection master. Therefore services could run fully on the Picc (with the exception of Uxbridge to Rayners)... however when LU management told staff and unions this morning that the track had been checked by a Licensed member of staff, the union(s) thought they were making it up and told west end drivers not to drive past Northfields, and North end drivers not to drive west of Hyde Park! It was when the admin staff started to arrive, that the license for the member of staff was found and presented, therefore the first Eastbound train to Cockfosters arrived at Acton at 8.15am! This is as far as I know, correct!
I really feel sorry for all the West-end picc-line passengers who were promised yesterday Picc will run as normal (except Rayners-Uxb) to find today nothing running! It is a total shambles.
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Post by cetacean on Sept 4, 2007 10:46:13 GMT
What station stops are they making Acton-Hammersmith?
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Post by happybunny on Sept 4, 2007 12:40:57 GMT
No idea cetacean didn't venture East of Acton... I would imagine Chiswick park is out of the question. and Ravenscourt EB is... as presumably they can only use fast road
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Post by stanmorek on Sept 4, 2007 13:42:50 GMT
Interesting. I recall engineering hours start at 0145 and 0430 watershed time in the Chiswick Park area. I wonder how many kilometres this individual managed to cover on both roads in a single shift. Being LUL staff I take it this is not their normal job and wouldn't be familiar to any areas which require more attention than others.
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