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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 13:45:54 GMT
Interesting. I recall engineering hours start at 0145 and 0430 watershed time in the Chiswick Park area. I wonder how many kilometres this individual managed to cover on both roads in a single shift. Being LUL staff I take it this is not their normal job and wouldn't be familiar to any areas which require more attention than others. Thats a lot of walking in a short space of time. Dont forget they would have had to walk to Hanger Lane Jct too.  |
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Post by stanmorek on Sept 4, 2007 13:53:38 GMT
To be fair this is based on possibly third hand information so we don't know what was and required to be inspected. I'm sure LUL management are doing their level best to handle the situation.
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Post by c5 on Sept 4, 2007 14:59:57 GMT
What station stops are they making Acton-Hammersmith? Acton Town and Hammersmith only. The Local Lines are Out Of Commision with points secured up. |
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Post by c5 on Sept 4, 2007 15:02:20 GMT
Interesting. I recall engineering hours start at 0145 and 0430 watershed time in the Chiswick Park area. I wonder how many kilometres this individual managed to cover on both roads in a single shift. Being LUL staff I take it this is not their normal job and wouldn't be familiar to any areas which require more attention than others. As there were no trains running. This could have been carried out before engineering hours, without the need to involve Track Access Control, and thus booking out. Traction Current could remain on until they were done. That's if a Traffic Hours Protection Master was available ;D ;D Also all sets of points at Hammersmith have been secured for through running. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 15:58:47 GMT
i hope they are not running between barons court and acton as if there is no signal cover (aet/to's) to look after this stretch (normally us) not tubylines if and i do say IF a wrong side failure happened and something happened lul would be liable worse case corparate manslaughter
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Post by c5 on Sept 4, 2007 16:06:33 GMT
i hope they are not running between barons court and acton as if there is no signal cover (aet/to's) to look after this stretch (normally us) not tubylines if and i do say IF a wrong side failure happened and something happened lul would be liable worse case corparate manslaughter They are indeed running in this area. As I understand, TL have been asked/offered to deal with thing like this. Whether or not their staff will actually do this, I don't know. Perhaps a CIRAS report would be a good idea. Of course if a Signalling Irregularity was reported or the like, trains would stop running while it was investigated. Like how it usually happens..... Wouldn't it?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 16:21:04 GMT
how it usually happens is we would get the report and first thing first is to remove the signal relay lid and try to investigate it
but its madness anything could happen metronet are responisble for the assets between barons court and hanger lane junction would anyone here want that on there mind?
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Post by stanmorek on Sept 4, 2007 16:31:30 GMT
As there were no trains running. This could have been carried out before engineering hours, without the need to involve Track Access Control, and thus booking out. Traction Current could remain on until they were done. That's if a Traffic Hours Protection Master was available ;D ;D Also all sets of points at Hammersmith have been secured for through running. I thought the Picc was still running but who knows. There is also the rule is that no one goes on the track during traffic hours when it's dark or daylight is poor. |
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Post by happybunny on Sept 4, 2007 16:36:45 GMT
I see no problem at all that the Picc is running. The track has been checked by a competent and licensed person and certified safe to run, points are secured so if a signal were to fail train could easily be worked into the station and in worst case scenario services then suspended. In the mean-time it is providing a lifeline to the lovely people of West London  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 16:49:45 GMT
reminds myself to visit hammersmith IMR |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 18:27:10 GMT
I'm with "happy bunny" through out this thread !
Track only needs to be inspected every 48 hours (that's how you get all night running on NYE). Provided it was inspected sunday night then there is no need for a further inspection until tuesday night.
You do not have ongoing inspections, signal maintenance etc throught the traffic day. So there is no need to withdraw services UNLESS there is some reported failure !
(and based upon some of the defects we encounter on the track day after day, one wonders about the merits / quality of the track exams anyway)
IF a train were to derail or whatever ...then it would have done so whether Metronet were on strike or not !
If there is a failure, THEN there should be a suspension ..I'm not sure about the merits of Tube Lines THEN dabbling in metronet tracks .. a legal minefield springs to mind ... UNLESS Metronet have subcontracted the work formally to Tube Lines for the duration (and consequently Metronet retain liability for any mis actions by Tube Lines).
Also I am aware of a Metronet track exam having taken place in the past, from the front of a moving train by an engineer with a spot light !
Is ERU part of Tube Lines ? For some reason I assumed they were employed directly by TfL ! I guess not !
Could they not have just run the 1960 stock TRV over the sections ?
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Post by happybunny on Sept 4, 2007 18:37:30 GMT
ERU is deffo part of Tube Lines. There uniforms and trucks carry the tube lines logo (BTW has anyone seen the new ERU trucks, they look like FIRE engines with blue lights and everything).
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Post by stanmorek on Sept 4, 2007 18:47:00 GMT
What a patrolman looks for is not the same as what the TRV records which is track geometry like track twist, dipped joint etc. and the data reports are not processed immediately.
As for cab based inspection I believe they would looking for something in particular and not carrying out a general inspection!
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Post by c5 on Sept 4, 2007 18:47:14 GMT
ERU is deffo part of Tube Lines. There uniforms and trucks carry the tube lines logo (BTW has anyone seen the new ERU trucks, they look like FIRE engines with blue lights and everything). Yup Tubelines run the ERU, Transplant and Distribution Services. Metronet run the REW, TMU and I think (Trackforce if its still about.) Not sure what else there is? I have seen the new ERU Vehicles, they look pretty impresive really and look just like the new LFB vehicles, only white, with the blue and red markings and TL logo! They were in the Car Park at Acton Town (seen from the Main Line) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 18:52:40 GMT
ERU is deffo part of Tube Lines. There uniforms and trucks carry the tube lines logo (BTW has anyone seen the new ERU trucks, they look like FIRE engines with blue lights and everything). I have just asked my dad to confirm what i thought, the new ERU vehicles do not have blue lights fitted to them, but they do have orange ones. Yes they are very nice, however i think they may have shot themselves in their foot with them. With the present vehicles, if there is a problem with one of them and it needs garage attention, the back of it (the part that has all the kit in) can easily be unhooked andd put onto a different chassis, keeping the vehicle operational. With the new appliances this wont be possible, so if for any reason a unit will need to be garaged, that will be one vehicle off the road. |
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Post by happybunny on Sept 4, 2007 18:55:21 GMT
ERU is deffo part of Tube Lines. There uniforms and trucks carry the tube lines logo (BTW has anyone seen the new ERU trucks, they look like FIRE engines with blue lights and everything). I have just asked my dad to confirm what i thought, the new ERU vehicles do not have blue lights fitted to them, but they do have orange ones. Yes they are very nice, however i think they may have shot themselves in their foot with them. With the present vehicles, if there is a problem with one of them and it needs garage attention, the back of it (the part that has all the kit in) can easily be unhooked andd put onto a different chassis, keeping the vehicle operational. With the new appliances this wont be possible, so if for any reason a unit will need to be garaged, that will be one vehicle off the road. Sirens? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 18:58:15 GMT
Nope. Although they are like an emergency service and do not just do work for LUL, they operators are not given training to drive in the same way a fire engine would do on an emergency call out. So an ERU vehicle could be on its way to the biggest incident ever but would have to obey the highway code like any other motorist. A shame, i know. |
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