6-Car Bakerloos

[Oracle]

I have photo'd a 6-car Bakerloo 38TS at Wembley Park ...was this common? I was stimulated to recall by the East of Epping Central thread. I can't recall ever seeing 6-car Piccadilly 38TS or 59TS, although I have seen a film of the Picc's 62TS coupled up to a 3-car 59TS on the main line at Turnham Green. Complete with roof material going very bald!

[Deleted]

I know that the train involved in the Incident at Moorgate was a 6 car [dm-t-dm+dm-t-dm]. Not sure about the Lakerboo, but a sure possibility...

[citysig]

oracle said:

I have photo'd a 6-car Bakerloo 38TS at Wembley Park ...was this common? I was stimulated to recall by the East of Epping Central thread. I can't recall ever seeing 6-car Piccadilly 38TS or 59TS, although I have seen a film of the Picc's 62TS coupled up to a 3-car 59TS on the main line at Turnham Green. Complete with roof material going very bald!

Must have been good though, as you've created no less than 2 identical threads on the matter

[Oracle]

It was caused, as Doctor Who is finding out, a ripple in the space-time continuum! In this case, a back-spacing to correct and then re-posting without being aware that there had been a duplication!

Unlike the Doctor at this juncture I was able to seal up the time-space disruption with my sonic screwdriver. And delete the dual posting!

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oracle said:

It was caused, as Doctor Who is finding out, a ripple in the space-time continuum! In this case, a back-spacing to correct and then re-posting without being aware that there had been a duplication!

Unlike the Doctor at this juncture I was able to seal up the time-space disruption with my sonic screwdriver. And delete the dual posting!

In other words, you had a visit from the f*** up fairy!

[Oracle]

David, us Davids do not use such fowl language. Yes we cluck! cluck! do!!!

[Ben]

When the track along parklands walk was severd in the 1970's, Northern City line trains (6-car) were haulled up to finsbury park then down to the widened lines, then up the met for maintenence at Neasden. Is it possible that the six car was one of those trains perhaps shunting around Neasden/Wembley?

[towerman]

If there was a shortage of servicable 4 car units the Bakerloo often ran 6 cars for 7,Northern did the same.

[Oracle]

No, the Bake-a-loo was in service.

Interestingly the Northern City to Neasden trips were filmed by a guy. The same one that filmed all sorts of interesting trains over many years. I was fascinated to see the various locations. The trains used a trailing #-over at Barbican from the Widened Lines to the Inner Circle. I assume that that link went with electrification?

[mandgc]

Bakerloo trains were formed in six car trains on the introduction of 1938 Stock in 1939. They were increased to seven cars after the Tube platform extensions had been completed.

[Ben]

Pity they didnt take the oppertnity then to increase all the yerkeys tubes to 8car platforms.

[mandgc]

Six Car 1938s -
Could a 6 car train (2 X 3 cars) have been sent out if a 4 car unit was not available?
Alternatively could 2 X 3 cars have been put out to enable uncoupling at Watford Junction where Cab fitted units were required ?

[mandgc]

"All Tubes as 8 Cars" (Reply # 10)

On the introduction of 1938 Stock (with additional Passenger accomodation due to placing euipment under the car and not in a Switch Compartment behind the Driver) it was decided to put this stock on the Northern Line and put the Pre-38 stock in 8 car trains on the Central .
This would entail fewer platforms to be lengthened (Shepherds Bush to Liv.St. compared with Sth.Wimb. to Hampstead and Archway - you count them! )

[Ben]

Just to add, I'm sure I read somewhere, possibly alwaystouchout, that when the Bakerloo goes back up to Watford 6 car trains might be an option for the extension. Don't see how thats going to work though...

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oracle said:

No, the Bake-a-loo was in service.

Interestingly the Northern City to Neasden trips were filmed by a guy. The same one that filmed all sorts of interesting trains over many years. I was fascinated to see the various locations. The trains used a trailing #-over at Barbican from the Widened Lines to the Inner Circle. I assume that that link went with electrification?

Is this film available on-line anywhere?

[Deleted]

I recall seeing a piccy somewhere of a 38ts DM and a battery locomotive at Kings Cross MAIN LINE... looked very out of place next to a Deltic!

[Oracle]

The chap that took the film was a LURS member. Does anyone in LURS know him, or whether he deposited his film anywhere? This would be 20 years ago so he may well have passed on.

[tubeprune]

6-Car 38s:

It was always intended to run 6-car 38s on some trains over the Northern City route. Also, the first 38s to enter service on the Bakerloo were 6-cars from 2 Jan 39. By late 39, the line had 30 6-car 38s. They couldn't run 7-car sets because the platforms weren't long enough on the old stations and they were being lengthened. Some 6-car trains also ran on the Northern at this time because the floodgate works at Strand had restricted the platform length.

The Bakerloo began operation of 7-car 38s in 1945. The Northern City used 38s from Oct 66 as 3-car or 4-car sets and then went to 6-car trains from Sept 68 when the Vic Line opened to Highbury. The stock transfer from Neasden, which began in Sept 70 when the fleet was transferred from Golders Green to Neasden did indeed reverse at Barbican to get to the CWL.

The Acton Works strike of Sept 96 started a fleet reduction from which the stock never recovered. 6-car trains began operating on both the Bakerloo and Northern from October 1969. They survived on the Bakerloo until 1972 at least.

Filming - Was it John Herting, Les Collings, Jim Blake, Bob Greenaway?

[Oracle]

John Herting, Les Collings?

, defo not Jim and the late Bob. Jim may well know of any film though...we were all members of the North London TS and they used to show films as well.

TP, the film had a shot of the "balding" 1962 TS coupled with a 3-car 1959 Stock at Turnham Green, i.e. a rare mainline outing in service.