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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2007 1:22:52 GMT
Boarded a train yesterday which had new seats! A new seat cover pattern similar to the Jubliee line stock but more textured and a new, firmer, seat base.
All in all a MUCH needed MUCH overdue improvement for 95ts imho. Lets hope the rest of the stock gets the same tlc as this set. Well done tube lines!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2007 17:31:36 GMT
Quite a few of the units are running around with these seats....I personally would like to see 1959 stock covers used ;D
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Post by superteacher on Oct 31, 2007 17:41:41 GMT
They should be sorting out the 92TS seats first - they are in a far worse state!
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Post by Tubeboy on Oct 31, 2007 17:58:29 GMT
Yes I saw this last week, but forgot to post about it!  I have only seen it in one car at the moment [DM 51598], and even that was only one seat [trial maybe?] |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2007 19:14:13 GMT
The one i boarded was the full set, didn't pick up the number
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Post by londonboy on Oct 31, 2007 21:02:30 GMT
The new seats were on a 3 car set of 95 stock at the Golders Green open day the Alstom engineer at the Depot said they were all being replaced eventually
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Post by Tubeboy on Oct 31, 2007 21:19:14 GMT
The new seats were on a 3 car set of 95 stock at the Golders Green open day the Alstom engineer at the Depot said they were all being replaced eventually Good! When they are done with the seats, maybe they could start on the graffiti, and the acid etching. Why are the 96ts looked after so much better than their cousins? |
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Post by c5 on Oct 31, 2007 21:24:10 GMT
The new seats were on a 3 car set of 95 stock at the Golders Green open day the Alstom engineer at the Depot said they were all being replaced eventually Good! When they are done with the seats, maybe they could start on the graffiti, and the acid etching. Why are the 96ts looked after so much better than their cousins? Probably because they pay more to use the 96ts under PPP, than the 95ts under PFI! The 95ts have always been filthy as I recall! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2007 23:11:34 GMT
Isn't there a simpler explanation... The 96ts go to Stratford and they'll be polishing the windows and licking the floors clean all the way to 2012. 95ts, dosn't go anywhere near east london, who cares, its only grubby Londoners who have to use it. On 95ts stock assignments: Are the units distributed between Highgate/Mill Hill/Morden and Golders depots spacificly by number or it it just where the units happen to end up at the end of a shift? I suppose the impact being, which depot takes care of the new seats or is it all of them? Good! When they are done with the seats, maybe they could start on the graffiti, and the acid etching. Why are the 96ts looked after so much better than their cousins? Probably because they pay more to use the 96ts under PPP, than the 95ts under PFI! The 95ts have always been filthy as I recall! |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 31, 2007 23:25:46 GMT
Isn't there a simpler explanation... The 96ts go to Stratford and they'll be polishing the windows and licking the floors clean all the way to 2012. 95ts, dosn't go anywhere near east london, who cares, its only grubby Londoners who have to use it. On 95ts stock assignments: Are the units distributed between Highgate/Mill Hill/Morden and Golders depots spacificly by number or it it just where the units happen to end up at the end of a shift? I suppose the impact being, which depot takes care of the new seats or is it all of them? Probably because they pay more to use the 96ts under PPP, than the 95ts under PFI! The 95ts have always been filthy as I recall! Trains are not allocated to a particular depot, and during the course of time, they end up stabling at all of the locations on the line. By consulting the working timetable, trains can be allocated to certain timetable workings so that they end up at a certain place at the end of the day. For example, a train in High Barnet sidings may need to be inspected that night, so it is given a timetable path that ends up at, say, Morden. If the argument about the 96TS being looked after because it goes to Stratford is true, then maybe there is hope for the dilapidated 92TS on the Central after all! |
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 1, 2007 2:46:22 GMT
The bulk of the trains are at Morden and Golders Green, a smaller number are kept at Highgate, Edgware and Barnet depots.
[Edgware and Barnet are referred to as "depots", but are basically open sidings].
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2007 12:45:53 GMT
"On 95ts stock assignments: Are the units distributed between Highgate/Mill Hill/Morden and Golders depots spacificly by number or it it just where the units happen to end up at the end of a shift? I suppose the impact being, which depot takes care of the new seats or is it all of them?" Well, there will always be certain units which are required in depot (sometimes just to a major depot i.e. Morden or Golders, sometimes specifically to one of them because of different work which is carried out each depot). They will be put onto booked stabling paths where possible but it's the nature of the service that at some point reformations are carried out which take some of the required trains off booked stabling paths. So during the day, the RST (who works for Alstom and sits in the control room) will talk to the controller about certain trains which are required and the controller will try to work out the best way to get them where they need to be - again service permitting. Depending on how urgently the train is required, Alstom may or may not be willing to take a "hit" (i.e. have a delay booked, which they are penalised for) to get it changed over. A particular concern would be anything which is on a path booked to stable at either High Barnet or Edgware, which is likely to be a "stopper" the next day - because every train from those locations is used for service, if you end up with an unfit train there you will inevitably have a cancellation. Highgate is also a concern because even if it is balanced there is only 1 spare train, so anything which will definitely be a "stopper" will be put to a major depot if at all possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 8:39:50 GMT
About bloody time!
I always presumed that Canary Wharf has got something to do with the Jubbly being kept so clean.
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Post by trainopd78 on Nov 6, 2007 10:09:02 GMT
Its probably got more to do with the trains owners.
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Post by edwin on Nov 6, 2007 10:33:41 GMT
These seats look bloody awful! The interior is white, yellow and black, what do they do, add bright blue multi coloured seats!
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Post by metman on Nov 6, 2007 16:38:22 GMT
You may have a point....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 16:41:58 GMT
I hate those seats all that tube lines corperate rubbish
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 6, 2007 18:56:59 GMT
These seats look bloody awful! The interior is white, yellow and black, what do they do, add bright blue multi coloured seats! I agree to an extent, the 95ts do look good WHEN clean. Trouble is they are not cleaned internally when they get to a termini. As I have said elsewhere, when on night turns, I get on at Finchley Central, the trains are filthy, mainly newspapers. |
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Post by edwin on Nov 7, 2007 1:30:08 GMT
These seats look bloody awful! The interior is white, yellow and black, what do they do, add bright blue multi coloured seats! I agree to an extent, the 95ts do look good WHEN clean. Trouble is they are not cleaned internally when they get to a termini. As I have said elsewhere, when on night turns, I get on at Finchley Central, the trains are filthy, mainly newspapers. Can't they just... Clean the seats? The old moquette was fine, the new one worked on the Jubilee because the interior is blueish anyway, and they repainted the armrests. With the new moquette on the northern line the arm rests have been left as black... Also, it seems Tubelines is using the same moquette for every single line! How boring! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2007 13:52:58 GMT
My second time on the Northern's new seats today. One thing I noticed - where there is a gap between cushions, there is now bare metal - it was covered before.
It occurs to me that I must have travelled on the Northern at least once in the 59/72 days, but can't remember it.
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Post by stuartpalmer on Nov 9, 2007 16:27:23 GMT
There are seats on Northern Line trains? What time of day do you travel?!
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Post by metman on Nov 9, 2007 20:36:25 GMT
Personally, I prefer the 95s tip up seats to the 96s perch seats!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2007 21:29:30 GMT
I personally prefer the 96TS perch seats as it allows for more internal capacity, something the 95TS needs at times!
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Post by metman on Nov 10, 2007 0:33:53 GMT
I guess people sit on them during the peaks!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2007 2:18:18 GMT
Caught one again today, so nice to rest my bum on a bit of luxuary clean cloth that dosn't contain human fecies, dead rat, twelve types of food, human hair and alcohol (I believe I read in a newspaper once)
Hey heres an idea: every commuter brings their own custom seat covers, just like they have in the Soyuz rockets. Would cut tube lines maintainance bills if they just had to supply bare metal benches :-)
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Post by edwin on Nov 14, 2007 0:29:54 GMT
Caught one again today, so nice to rest my bum on a bit of luxuary clean cloth that dosn't contain human fecies, dead rat, twelve types of food, human hair and alcohol (I believe I read in a newspaper once) I read that that was an urban legend! |
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 14, 2007 10:00:05 GMT
It is.
Btw it "referred" to the 92ts.
Re tip up seats, they are rock hard.....travelling a couple of stops is ok, but no more than that. Why do pushchairs block the single leaf doors, when they should be where the tip-up seats are located.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2007 15:40:54 GMT
Ahhh, bare metal benches!
Cheaper to clean and maintain and excellent durability! ;D I personally won't mind sitting on a shiny metal seat over the 1992TS.
That said, I'm glad the cushions on the Piccadilly, Victoria and Bakerloo lines are holding up very well and seem pretty clean.
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Post by metman on Nov 14, 2007 19:04:36 GMT
I find the 1967/72 stock seats very nice to sit on-for tube trains anyhow! Of course, the A stock has nicest seats!
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Post by Tubeboy on Nov 14, 2007 23:34:32 GMT
I find the 1967/72 stock seats very nice to sit on-for tube trains anyhow! Of course, the A stock has nicest seats! Unless its doing 50mph South of Harrow and your bouncing like a pea in a frying pan. 92ts have the worst seats, 95ts are not too bad. |
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