ATO gets a step nearer

[Oracle]

I won't repeat what was alleged to have been the cause of the incident. It would not be circumspect to do so on this *bows low in deference* premium-rated forum! I am not sure that it has been referred to here so

[towerman]

112 has now been moved to the lifting shop,looks like a local repair job.

[towerman]

032-031 now stopped for ATO mods.

[towerman]

028-027 now on DCA,032-031 jumpered up on 38rd,looks like it will be going on DCA next week.

[stanmorek]

I've noticed these yellow vertical poles springing up trackside around the Stanmore branch. Anything to do with ATO?

[towerman]

I belive it is,but can't find the TC that had the blurb about them in.BTW 028-027 now off the DCA.

[abe]

TC12/2007 p3. Is the posting of scans here permitted?

[Colin]

abe said:

TC12/2007 p3. Is the posting of scans here permitted?

Not directly from the traffic circular - this thread refers.

You can however type out a general overview of the text in your own words.

[towerman]

118-117 now stopped for ATO mods.

[towerman]

According to EWSA 20 the 3 car 96TS unit 96064 is returning to SMD from Highgate Depot test track on Wednesday night 16/5/07.

[citysig]

Let's not forget the testing of some of the ATO/Transmission Based Train Control kit between Canons Park and Kingsbury this Saturday and Sunday night.

I can't forget it - I'm the one setting the signals for said tests to be carried out. I shall have so little time to read through the new rule books ;D

[stanmorek]

Re: Reply#124

On closer inspection the yellow "poles" happen to be 3x3 timbers painted bright yellow and tied to the cable run. They appear to be markers of some sort.

[citysig]

I would imagine that they are almost definately related to the TBTC project. There isn't anything else happening in that part of the world that we know of - though of course we are normally the last to know.

Having said that, we have been issued with information on how the system will work. It's labelled "Service Controllers" information, but appears to be mostly a "Train Operators Information" with a different label, but it's more than we'd usually get so...

The section between Canons Park and Kingsbury goes "live" from around September.

Sure I've said this elsewhere - maybe even in this thread but it has grown too long for me to have time to search back. Aplogies if I'm repeating what has already been said.

[DWS]

citysig said:

The section between Canons Park and Kingsbury goes live from around September.

Which September ;D

I hear the project is running late

[citysig]

;D The project as a whole is running late, but this bit is relatively straight forward and is said to be more or less on time (there are no controlled signals/points etc within the area they are taking.

Besides I did say "around" September so we'll see.

[Deleted]

dws said:

Which September ;D

September 2061, of course! ;D

When the section between Canons Park and Kingsbury goes live, will the traditional signalling remain in place or will it be removed?

EDIT: Also, when will the physical earthworks at Stanmore be completed?

[cetacean]

So how many trains are done now, and do they all need to be done before ATO can start?

[citysig]

theonekea said:

When the section between Canons Park and Kingsbury goes live, will the traditional signalling remain in place or will it be removed?

EDIT: Also, when will the physical earthworks at Stanmore be completed?

For quite some period of time (though don't ask me how long) the two systems will run side by side. From the point of view of our equipment, we won't (shouldn't ) notice any change in operation.

At some point in the future, when the section has proved itself, the traditional signalling will be removed - this will no doubt be after the line has transferred to Neasden signal box.

Stanmore's platform work has been reduced to a go slow as there is now no need to rush to complete it, as the area will be re-signalled and transferred to Neasden in one hit in around 18 months- 2years.

[towerman]

Trains done so far
028-027
044-043
048-079
070-069 all in service but still as conventional trains
032-031 waiting testing on DCA
118-117 in work
112-111 done,but waiting repairs on 112 unit after it's mishap.
064-063 done,but on test track at Highgate,064 due to return next Wednesday night.

[towerman]

032-031 now signed off,100-099 stopped for ATO mods,063 unit due to return from test track at Highgate Wednesday night.

[towerman]

064-063 now on DCA.

[Deleted]

citysig said:

theonekea said:

When the section between Canons Park and Kingsbury goes live, will the traditional signalling remain in place or will it be removed?

EDIT: Also, when will the physical earthworks at Stanmore be completed?

For quite some period of time (though don't ask me how long) the two systems will run side by side. From the point of view of our equipment, we won't (shouldn't ) notice any change in operation.

At some point in the future, when the section has proved itself, the traditional signalling will be removed - this will no doubt be after the line has transferred to Neasden signal box.

Stanmore's platform work has been reduced to a go slow as there is now no need to rush to complete it, as the area will be re-signalled and transferred to Neasden in one hit in around 18 months- 2years.

There are articles on Alcatel's website about how Seltrac can interface with conventional signalling for non-equipped trains.

www1.alcatel-lucent.com/tas/
then go to TASbits (on the left side menu)
Download issues 7,8, and 9 which should be of interest.

(Note the website hasn't been updated lately as Thales took over Alcatel's signalling division)

[towerman]

I spoke too soon,064-063 is now off the DCA.

[towerman]

118-117 now on DCA.

[towerman]

092-091 Now stopped for ATO mods.

[towerman]

118-117 now off the DCA,battery locos & schomas are coming Monday to take a 4 car to the test track at Highgate Tuesday night,don't know which unit yet.

[Deleted]

So what percentage of the 96TS fleet have now had the ATO modifications?

[towerman]

10 trains out of a fleet of 63.BTW,all the first 9 are going to be retrofitted with modified wiring.

[towerman]

118 transferred to test track at Highgate,should have been 117 but Alstom day shift DDM cocked up,117 will probably go next week.

[towerman]

117 unit now left SMD,will arrive at Highgate Wednesday night/Thursday morning.