83TS

[Oracle]

According to RAIL magazine, the six ex-Uxbridge 83TS cars have been moved and arrived 13th August in Shoreditch off-rail and are now used at the Great Eastern street premises of Village Underground, a charity that supports new companies. They have ben renovated. A few pages later it states that Tube Lines were approached to provide 'work space for start-up companies' following an approach from a designer for start-up companies not able to afford rents.

My boss has n ex-BR a railway carriage that he can use as an office at Appleby, at the bottom of his garden. I would like to go one better please TL and bag an 83TS car for my office.

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Get a DM, and "drive" to work, then proceed to work in the saloon area, then "drive" back ;D! All within your garden/backyard!

[agoodcuppa]

Tubelines press release

[prjb]

I spent an enjoyable afternoon in the Museum Depot at Acton today. Had a full tour and spent some time in the 83ts motor car and the 86ts motor car (Metro-Camel Green Train) they have in storage.

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I for one would love to have an old railway station, with a 59ts parked in the platform. Or 2nd best, an A60.... We can dream....

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prjb said:

I spent an enjoyable afternoon in the Museum Depot at Acton today. Had a full tour and spent some time in the 83ts motor car and the 86ts motor car (Metro-Camel Green Train) they have in storage.

You complete, utter anorak!

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metapprentice said:

You complete, utter anorak!

;D

[Tubeboy]

I bet he would look nice in an anorak!

[Deleted]

Anoraks are way too normal for our resident button pusher. ;D

Unless Cyberdog do anoraks?

Sam

[prjb]

metapprentice said:

prjb said:

I spent an enjoyable afternoon in the Museum Depot at Acton today. Had a full tour and spent some time in the 83ts motor car and the 86ts motor car (Metro-Camel Green Train) they have in storage.

You complete, utter anorak!

I was on company business with both Metronet and Bombardier, the fact it was enjoyable was a bonus. In any case, your just jealous!

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prjb said:

I was on company business with both Metronet and Bombardier, the fact it was enjoyable was a bonus. In any case, your just jealous!

Maybe! Is Bombardier looking at the 83ts for ideas?

[prjb]

Perhaps not how to do it! Although from a heritage point of view the museum feel that the 83ts motor car they have is quite important.

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ca55ie said:

Anoraks are way too normal for our resident button pusher. ;D

Unless Cyberdog do anoraks?

Sam

No they do NOT!

[yellowsignal]

see
www.flickr.com/photos/ahyc/222826746/ and other photos from this person
www.flickr.com/photos/homemade_london/242182876/
www.flickr.com/photos/nomadologist/231702522/

[Chris W]

From the photos that I've seen elsewhere they've been thoroughly graffitied externally

Great that they've been saved and put to another use rather than simply scrapped, but sad that the mindless few feel that vandelism is acceptable

[coyote]

The two units stored on Cockfosters sidings will also be gone within the next month.

[Deleted]

What was the reason for the 83 stock being replaced? Was it the single leaf doors and the loading times they brought or a fault with the trains themselves?

What replaced them, and when??

Taa muchly. ;D

Sam

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ca55ie said:

What was the reason for the 83 stock being replaced? Was it the single leaf doors and the loading times they brought or a fault with the trains themselves?

What replaced them, and when??

Taa muchly. ;D

Sam

From what I remember, the 1983 stock was withdrawn primarily because there were not enough of them for the JLE, they were non-standard, station dwell times were too high due to single-leaf doors and I understand that the air suspension was somewhat problematic.

[Dmitri]

From www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Rolling%20Stock.htm:

The 1983 Tube Stock was built for the Jubilee Line in two batches and was basically a tube version of the D Stock. However, it incorporated a number of innovations to London Underground train design and these were all conspicuously unsuccessful. The first was the traction equipment with an electrically driven camshaft system built by Kiepe and the next was the motor alternators by Mawdsley. The braking control was an analogue system by Westinghouse. The door design, also based on the D Stock, has a single large door where tube cars usually had double doors. As traffic levels improved during the early 1990s, these doors were found to restrict car loading times. Even the bogies were a disaster, a design similar to the ill-fated D Stock bogie.

The 1983 stock was originally intended to be converted for use on the Jubilee Line extension. The fleet of 33 trains was to be increased to 59 trains by taking a 3-car unit an adding three new cars. However, the cost of replacing all the equipment and of converting the single doors to double doors was only 10% cheaper than building a whole new fleet. When the 1996 Tube Stock arrived, the 1983 Stock was withdrawn and 10 trains are being stored under a plan to refurbish them for use on the Piccadilly Line. What the PPP proposals will do for this plan remains to be seen.

[greatplum]

I take it that those 10 trains that were stored are now the ones being converted into offices / being grafitied!

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the 83's that belong to village underground have had all their seats and equipment toatally
ripped out inside they probably don't look like your adverage tube train!

[Deleted]

in the early 2000's there were plans to use the 83 ts on the piccadilly tests were carried out
and the 83's were coupeld to the 1973 stock this of corse failed so bombardier had an idea
to put double doors in but bombardier found this phisicaly impossible eventually london
unerground just gave up using the 1983 stock but i have found
no pictures of these operations beacuse only a few units are
left this plan will never come to fruition.

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greatplum said:

I take it that those 10 trains that were stored are now the ones being converted into offices / being grafitied!

Does anybody know that the fleet numbers of those converted into offices are? Also wasn't there one that went to a hospital (Great Orme Street I think).

[Tom]

There is one DM at Great Ormond Street, though I don't know what the fleet number is/was.