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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2006 16:58:37 GMT
What sort of bells, whistles or air blast codes will be used to let drivers know that things are broken in the 2009TS or S stock?
Much has been said about the simplicity of the D stock diagnostic panel - is this going to be replicated?
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Post by Colin on Sept 20, 2006 11:04:05 GMT
Never noticed this thread before ...... I'm led to believe that the S stock train monitoring system will be a touch screen effort based on that already fitted to class 357's. That said, it's a part of the design process that has yet to finalised............... As for the 09ts........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2006 11:10:56 GMT
Never noticed this thread before ...... I was starting to wonder if the old air blast system would indeed be used! I'm led to believe that the S stock train monitoring system will be a touch screen effort based on that already fitted to class 357's. That said, it's a part of the design process that has yet to finalised............... As for the 09ts........ A touch screen panel? Sounds complicated - hopefully the screen will be easy to clean and repair...
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Post by prjb on Sept 22, 2006 22:08:27 GMT
Colin is correct. 'S' will have a colour touch screen and will be robust and simple to use (although the design and human factors work is very much ongoing). We have made BTUK very aware of the fact that drivers will use their 'J' door keys to operate this system! 09ts will have a four line LCD screen which will be broadly the same in it's operation. It's just that the front end for the user is not the same as 'S'. This is purely because 'S' has benefited from technology that was utilised on a BT project in China, this technolgy did not arrive in time for 09 which is that much closer to full production.
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Post by cj2003 on Oct 9, 2006 12:37:08 GMT
Much has been said about the simplicity of the D stock diagnostic panel - is this going to be replicated? I must have missed the threads about this - Where do I find them?
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Post by Colin on Oct 9, 2006 13:44:30 GMT
I suspect TOK was using 'artistic licence' there - AFAIK there are no specific threads on the D stock TMS. I do have a low quality image on my website ( click here) which shows the basics. As you can see, there are only 7 switches which can be used to by-pass certain circuits. Coupled with the LED indications, this is a simple yet effective tool. In addition, there is also a bank of miniture circuit breakers on the cab's back wall which can be used as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2006 14:08:31 GMT
Indeed. I was making reference to threads that have posted elsewhere about how the existing TMS was brought in because the previous systems were too complicated and too hard for drivers to get coherent info from.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2006 18:18:47 GMT
I rather hope there will be a system that tells you exactly what is wrong and exactly what you need to do about it ! Also embodying DISI (Defective In Service Instructions) book, indicating whether train remains in or out of service.
Now i know there are arguments that this removes many of the skills justifying drivers high wage ...but speaking from a purely scientific perspective, then any new fault equiptment system really should incorporate this (and be updatable from a lap top upload) !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2006 18:21:40 GMT
Much has been said about the simplicity of the D stock diagnostic panel - is this going to be replicated? Well this was an improvement on what went before, but still requires much interpretation - not at all impressive by today's standards. I believe the 1992 stock has a much more detailed system, though prone to rogue or unnecessary information reports !
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Post by prjb on Oct 12, 2006 19:49:34 GMT
The MITRAC system is going to be designed around sound Human Factors guidelines. What this means in real terms for drivers is that they will only be told about a problem when they can do something about it. There is no point in telling a driver about a fault that needs attention at a station when he is driving between stations, you may as well wait and tell them when appropriate (safety critical items aside of course).
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