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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 10:14:23 GMT
I was looking at the S Stock images on Metrodebt's website and have noticed that they seemed to have included manual door opening buttons on the doors in both the interior and on the exterior. www.metronetrail.com/default.asp?sID=1088068912937I would of thought that the chances of these ever been used is becoming less and less every day due to the increasing number of people. So, apart from annoying people who press them constantly and the doors still don't open ( ;D ), why will they be included? David  |
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Post by pakenhamtrain on Sept 23, 2007 10:44:07 GMT
Reading the 'Door Speeds on the S Stock thread" Prjb made mention that the doors will shut after a pre-determined ammount of time but no pilot light. So I would think they are there to re open the doors. Our Siemens and X'traps have the same feature. The Doors close as normal(With the beep-beep-beep-beep) but the door lights stay on. It is funny when the Cattle make the dash to the doors only to find out they can board the train. ;D The Link to the post: tinyurl.com/2aqbrz |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 12:14:29 GMT
Cheers PT. It would make sense on the NR as they sometimes sit at stations for ages. On the LU, apart from the terminus's, trains rarely spend any more than 30 seconds, and if its longer its because of crowds, and they last thing they need is to keep pushing a button to open the doors (which would just cause more delays any way). I must be missing something, as this just sounds like someone hasn't realised that it has never been viable to use them in the past on the Underground, and because the system is getting more crowded every day, its likely they will never be used in the future!   David |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 14:05:35 GMT
I think it will make sense on the outer reaches of the SSR, such as east of Barking. Currently 24 doors open at every station even though only 2 or 3 will actually be used. This leads to a lot of pointless heat loss in the winter (and cool air loss in summer when the trains have aircon).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 17:54:53 GMT
Pretty much standard fitting on most of the newest Nat Rail fleets... Driver unlocks, you open... door will then clise after 15 seconds; but will only lock when the guard releases the key and the driver locks them...
Must be quite difficult for some of the non-regulars to NOT have to press the door open buttons as currently offered on all LU fleets...
But inside, you see the pax pressing the open buttons, and... well, I've given up explaining!
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Post by happybunny on Oct 2, 2007 19:08:53 GMT
Will this be a feature on the 09ts?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2007 19:17:40 GMT
Will this be a feature on the 09ts? i doubt it. The Vic line has high passenger loading at nearly all stations and as it is all tunnel heat loss is not a factor. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 3:07:51 GMT
Cheers PT. It would make sense on the NR as they sometimes sit at stations for ages. On the LU, apart from the terminus's, trains rarely spend any more than 30 seconds, and if its longer its because of crowds, and they last thing they need is to keep pushing a button to open the doors (which would just cause more delays any way). I must be missing something, as this just sounds like someone hasn't realised that it has never been viable to use them in the past on the Underground, and because the system is getting more crowded every day, its likely they will never be used in the future! David They have them on the Paris Metro, and it seems to work just fine. This is probably because pax have to open the doors at all stations. I think the problem in London is that it has never been applied consistently. When passenger open was tried postwar with the 38TS, it officially applied only at open-air stations. At tunnel stations (the great majority of stations), the guard opened all doors. Even at surface stations, the guard would quite often (probably out of force of habit) press the "open doors" button instead of the "door release" button. The passengers did not expect to have to press a button to get out, and so got carried past their stops. The guards got fed up with the complaints and started opening all doors at all stations, and the passenger open equipment fell out of use. Passenger open is a waste of money unless it is used consistently. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 6:52:33 GMT
On the newer trains in Brisbane, if the door open button is pressed between stations it will activate the door to open immediately when unlocked at the next station. This removes the delay time between the doors unlocking, and the button being pressed.
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 3, 2007 7:32:36 GMT
09TS does not have PO buttons.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 3, 2007 10:55:46 GMT
On the newer trains in Brisbane, if the door open button is pressed between stations it will activate the door to open immediately when unlocked at the next station. This removes the delay time between the doors unlocking, and the button being pressed. I'm not certain but I think the Croydon trams do this as well? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 11:41:20 GMT
On the newer trains in Brisbane, if the door open button is pressed between stations it will activate the door to open immediately when unlocked at the next station. This removes the delay time between the doors unlocking, and the button being pressed. Sounds like a good idea. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Oct 3, 2007 17:30:23 GMT
On the newer trains in Brisbane, if the door open button is pressed between stations it will activate the door to open immediately when unlocked at the next station. This removes the delay time between the doors unlocking, and the button being pressed. Sounds like a good idea. Which is exactly why I can't see it being used here ;D! |
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Post by prjb on Oct 3, 2007 21:16:45 GMT
The 'S' Stock will feature 'auto open' when in ATO, which means as soon as the train comes to a stand all doors will automatically open without any driver intervention required. Naturally the driver has an inhibit function if he/she did not want the doors to open for some reason.
The open button is there purely because the passenger doors will auto close after a nominated period. This is to ensure the air conditioned environment is maintained in the saloon.
BTW - Apologies for the lack of posts recently, I have been having horrendous PC problems and also have been dealing with some personal stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 21:37:16 GMT
what will the door close warning sounds be like?
could they be exactly like the A stock sounds we have now. They are by far the least irritating!
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Post by Chris M on Oct 3, 2007 21:42:58 GMT
My vote would go for the much deeper note used on the Tyne and Wear Metro.
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Post by prjb on Oct 3, 2007 21:55:26 GMT
I have noted your request for a heritage door close chime! Interestingly, the Human Factors Engineers call this a 'hustle alarm' - bless them!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 22:02:31 GMT
a heritage door chime would just be the sound of the door engines hissing! It wouldn't inspire many to 'hustle' though!
incidentally, I was on a 95ts after the 38ts tour, and there was no door chime at all on the 95ts. It made the new train that little bit closer to the 38 atmosphere!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 22:12:47 GMT
a heritage door chime would just be the sound of the door engines hissing! It wouldn't inspire many to 'hustle' though! Actually, many passengers do react to the hiss on a non-refurb D stock. Turning the selector barrel from shutdown to forward 2 produces a similar noise (from the brakes) which makes people pile on quick! |
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