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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 22:34:57 GMT
Well, ok ... C08's may not be the official designations ...but since the 7/7 replacement cars were built this year perhaps they should be ....
Anyway, I saw one of the cars today in service as the middle unit on a Hammersmith & City line working.
Numbered at the end of the C77 series as 6734, it looked very smart, the DM car having been renumbered 5734 to match.
Whilst the other new car is 6606 with matching DM renumbered 5606 reviving the numbers of the C69 set that was scrapped many years ago.
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Post by metman on Jul 16, 2008 7:17:10 GMT
Weren't they rebuilt?
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Post by c5 on Jul 16, 2008 15:20:13 GMT
The only original big bits are the bogies.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 16, 2008 15:35:46 GMT
Well, ok ... C08's may not be the official designations ...but since the 7/7 replacement cars were built this year perhaps they should be .... Anyway, I saw one of the cars today in service as the middle unit on a Hammersmith & City line working. Numbered at the end of the C77 series as 6734, it looked very smart, the DM car having been renumbered 5734 to match. Whilst the other new car is 6606 with matching DM renumbered 5606 reviving the numbers of the C69 set that was scrapped many years ago. I wasn't expecting the DMs to be renumbered, they didn't renumber 6585 when 5585 was replaced in the 1970s. Also, was there any point in building 6606 and 6734 as the C stock will be replaced soon? |
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Post by Oracle on Jul 16, 2008 16:51:18 GMT
It seems that I have been living on a different planet to everyone else on DD's. Could some kind soul please explain who 'built' the bomb-damaged cars. I was around when the IRA blew up the C69 car (I missed a bomb in an arcade just off Old Bond Street by 3/4 hour when catching a Picc train home from Green Park one evening). That car was replaced by a C77 Stock one of course. However I am interested about these new replacements. Seems that I have to hold my hand up and ask!
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Post by c5 on Jul 16, 2008 17:55:50 GMT
It seems that I have been living on a different planet to everyone else on DD's. Could some kind soul please explain who 'built' the bomb-damaged cars....... However I am interested about these new replacements. Seems that I have to hold my hand up and ask! I know that they were built in Hungary, can't remember the name of the firm. They were given the bogies (possibly some other under floor stuff) and the drawings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 18:40:26 GMT
I was under the impression that the whole of the sole bar / underframe was kept, but everything above the floor is new.
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Post by towerman on Jul 16, 2008 18:47:46 GMT
Saw 6548 at Liverpool St this morning.
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Post by Ben on Jul 16, 2008 19:29:44 GMT
Its been covered somewhere on here before I think, however it might have been on another proboards forum! Many different versions of what they are exist; the standard says one thing (which is actually sensible for once), lul have said two conflicting things, and someone else said something different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 21:12:55 GMT
If i've driven a rebuilt one I can't say i've noticed. However I shall note the car numbers and inspect closer as and when.
Did they spray "TOX 08" and "ELAMENT" into the red bit of the livery with paintstripper in Hungary as well? If so that would explain why I haven't noticed any newbies...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 14:06:48 GMT
Nope ! all smart and new ... thats why I noticed as it passed me at Whitechapel !
It's presently the middle unit of a train, so that may be why you haven't driven from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 15:45:37 GMT
Would it be cynical to suggest that the powers that be may be nervous of using the new car as a driving car?
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 17, 2008 15:53:21 GMT
Does anyone know what the renumbered DMs were? And' if C08 stock isn't the official designation, what is?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2008 18:45:35 GMT
i saw this unit going round on the outer rail at paddington today as set 200 it was not in passenger service the new trailer and the dm it was connected to had no numbers on the side but the last car was 5580 if that helps looked very clean and new the trailer had its seats up in the air so must be doing pre commisioning tests
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Post by Tom on Jul 17, 2008 20:46:15 GMT
I saw 6548 at Farringdon this afternoon running as (IIRC) an Inner Rail circle. Looks like they've done a very good job on it - maybe that's because it hasn't been through the Hammersmith traun wash yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2008 8:49:34 GMT
The two new cars were built by Bombardier of Dunakeszi in Hungary. 6548 also went to Hungary as a 'model' for the new cars being built.
Shame 5505 (to be 5606) isn't to become 5607, as we've had a '5606' before.
As a matter of interest, the original 5606 which had Keipe (or was it Kiepe?) equipment was 'stopped' on 31.01.91 and went from Ruislip to (then) RFS of Doncaster on 18.05.93 for disposal. I don't know what happened to it after that - does anyone?
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Post by Oracle on Jul 19, 2008 9:37:24 GMT
That's interesting! The Hungarian Railway Carriage and Machine Works in Gyõr built stock for the Underground...and the company still exists!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2008 18:48:33 GMT
Would a new build of C stock have been allowed if they had decided not to go for S stock or would there be some health and safety rule that would not allow it?
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Post by Tom on Jul 23, 2008 19:05:28 GMT
I had a brief trip (Edgware Rd - Paddington) on 6734 today.
Overall they've done a very good job with it - there are only a few detail differences which make it stand out (apart from the fact it's clean). The biggest difference is that it doesn't quite sound like an original C, but other than that you have to know what you're looking for.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 24, 2008 14:38:17 GMT
What does it say under the passenger doors on the new trailers? C69s have 'Metro Cammell 1969', and C77s say 'Metro Cammell 1977', but what is it on 6606 and 6734?
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Post by chrish on Jul 24, 2008 15:03:49 GMT
Well, 6734 says Metro Cammell 1969, so I assume that part of the cars has been re-used as well...
Having had this unit as part of my train the other day.. they do stand out as being exceptionally clean!!! Still smells new as well!
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 24, 2008 15:13:04 GMT
Well, 6734 says Metro Cammell 1969, so I assume that part of the cars has been re-used as well... But hasn't 6734 replaced a C77 trailer? So do we now have a 55xx DM with 1977 and a 67xx trailer with 1969? |
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Post by Tom on Jul 24, 2008 19:53:56 GMT
We now have two odd C69/77 pairs: 5734/6734 and the West Ham bomb unit (5585/6585?).
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 25, 2008 12:51:40 GMT
Well, 6734 says Metro Cammell 1969, so I assume that part of the cars has been re-used as well... When i saw 6734, after it returned from Hungary & before it's renumbering, the '1969' step-plates looked as if the were new castings, like the were simply copied from 6548 which was the 'model' for the rebuilds. 6606 had similar '1969' step-plates. So we actually have 5585-6585 ('77-'69), 5606-6606 ('69-'08), 5734-6734 ('77-'08). |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 28, 2008 14:40:14 GMT
Unit 5606-6606 was running in the middle of Circle train 204 today.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 28, 2008 14:57:38 GMT
Is there a reason why 5606 and 5734 have been in the middle of trains, and not at the end of one yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 20:46:49 GMT
Is there a reason why 5606 and 5734 have been in the middle of trains, and not at the end of one yet? i wonder if it's a precaution ... if there is some kind of fault, for most faults it is least disruptive if it's on the middle unit rather than a leading car ! They can isolated electrically and won't sit the train down pneumatically ! (as a rule anyway !) All being well perhaps they will migrate to the ends as reforms take place. DM 5555 is a notable problem unit, so I am told, I have never, in my time on the District, seen it formed at a train end !! |
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Post by Colin on Jul 29, 2008 21:45:41 GMT
IIRC, the deadman on 5555 has a habit of deciding the handle isn't depressed when it actually is (mind you, it's been a while since I've touched a C stock  ). |
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 30, 2008 18:15:37 GMT
DM 5555 is a notable problem unit, so I am told, I have never, in my time on the District, seen it formed at a train end !! Is that why it was in the middle of the Yellow Pages and 'Back the Bid' trains, because the units in those liveries stayed together? |
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Post by astock5000 on Aug 4, 2008 16:57:28 GMT
5606-6606 is now at the end of a train. I got on 6548 today. It has a different floor, and one step-plate has been replaced with one that has no writing on it.
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