Closure 13-14 September

[tubedstock]

Hi,

Just to remind you all that the Victoria is completely closed this weekend, the whole line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Deleted]

Aye, so that'll be a Bottleneck getting down the skinny stairs to the westbound District, with silly lost tourists standing at top of said stairs trying to work out an alternative route to Oxo C.

[Tubeboy]

It isnt a rare thing thing for the whole of the Vic to be closed at weekends.

[Deleted]

Got three more weekends of whole line closure! In addition to the early closing Mo-Th.

[Tubeboy]

Them early closures are going on until November.

[Chris M]

Are they scheduled to resume early the early closures in 2009?

[towerman]

Possibly,will let you know when the closures look ahead takes us into next year.Should be updated to as far as January towards the end of this month.

[Deleted]

Towerman, is that the TfL site ones or internal?

Curious if your ones are futher ahead of the TfL public ones.

[towerman]

The intranet closures site is a brief 6 month look ahead,the one in the timetables/scheduling page is only for 3 months ahead but is more detailed.

[tubedstock]

I was at Green Park earlier and it was full of confused tourists blocking the concourse staring in a confused manner at tube maps!!!!! The poor two members of LT staff were constantly answering the same questions over and over!!!!

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[maxtube]

It's too bad I didn't notice the topic earlier! I was going to Brighton on the 14th to see the Volks Railway, and when I was about to alight my NXEA train at The Hale, I found the Vic was closed and had to get the Circle Line all the way round to get to Victoria ;D

[Deleted]

I don't recall these sort of shutdowns in order for them to carry out the work when they ATOd the Central Line and put in new trains, so why is this necessary on the Victoria Line?

[tubedstock]

Whilst on the subject of the Victoria engineering:

VICTORIA LINE: On Monday 15 September, Thursday 18 September, Tuesday 23 September, Tuesday 30 September, Wednesday 29 October and Wednesday 5 November the usual early closure will not apply due to football matches taking place at the Emirates Stadium and White Hart Lane.

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[suncloud]

For a reason for cancelling the engineering closures I think that one's pretty poor myself... :S

[astock5000]

Sept 11, 2008 21:05:24 GMT Tubeboy said:

Them early closures are going on until November.

The last early closure this year will be on 20th November.

[Deleted]

Sept 18, 2008 10:10:52 GMT suncloud said:

For a reason for cancelling the engineering closures I think that one's pretty poor myself... :S

Then you've never worked at Finsbury Park with an Arsenal match on. :-p (Or had the misfortune to work at Wood Green on a day with an Arsenal home match when there's been a Cockfosters-Wood Green engineering suspension.. an experience I'm in no hurry to repeat!) It has been standard practice throughout the whole of the early closure business to suspend the closures on days with football matches at those stadiums.

[railtechnician]

Sept 17, 2008 18:24:47 GMT @tubeflight said:

I don't recall these sort of shutdowns in order for them to carry out the work when they ATOd the Central Line and put in new trains, so why is this necessary on the Victoria Line?

Quite simply on the Victoria Line the rules have always been that if a possesion of any part of the line is required then the entire line will be under possession. This is because there are no trainstops on the Victoria Line and traditionally any vehicles employed cannot be controlled by the auto signalling system, hence the whole line is off limits.
Believe me it could be a real pain when an Engineer's train was working at Blackhorse road and I wanted to work at Stockwell but it was possible in the days before a face to face meeting with the possession master became necessary. Under the new rules it was still theoretically possible to work in someone else's possession or specified area but practically impossible due to the procedural requirements and the available engineering hours.

[Tom]

I believe the rules have changed now - I've worked at Finsbury Park with not one but two trains running around.

Likewise I was commissioning at Victoria a month or so ago with an engineer's train parked in the platforms, which made my testing difficult to say the least!

[Deleted]

Sept 25, 2008 12:24:20 GMT Tom said:

I believe the rules have changed now - I've worked at Finsbury Park with not one but two trains running around.

Likewise I was commissioning at Victoria a month or so ago with an engineer's train parked in the platforms, which made my testing difficult to say the least!

"The rules" per se have not changed but now some of the engineering locos are fitted with Victoria line ATP kit. Which moves the goalposts quite a lot. When a non-ATP-fitted engineers train came onto the Vic line everything else had to be stabled before it could even cross over at Finsbury, because effectively there was nothing to prevent it from SPADing and causing a collision. Now they can run on codes - effectively coded manual - the safety issues are not the same at all.

[towerman]

Weren't the 1964 battery locos fitted with cab signalling to operate on the Victoria Line?

[Tom]

Some were, but it was later removed.