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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 11, 2008 11:52:45 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 11, 2008 15:34:39 GMT
The very next paragraph in that article gives your answer!
"The tube’s operator told Register Hardware that the trial hasn't taken place yet, but it’s previously said that the earliest date mobile phone coverage could be extended across the tube network is mid-2009".
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 11, 2008 17:08:19 GMT
 Oops - you see, I thought the last paragraph on first reading referred to the Subway!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2008 7:03:57 GMT
The very next paragraph in that article gives your answer! "The tube’s operator told Register Hardware that the trial hasn't taken place yet, but it’s previously said that the earliest date mobile phone coverage could be extended across the tube network is mid-2009".But why would LU want to extend mobile coverage to the tubes? I would have thought that significant advantage to tube travel was that, being well underground and surrounded by cast iron, mobiles do not work. Ah, wait. Of course. LU will be paid by the phone company .... |
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Post by trc666 on Sept 12, 2008 22:21:00 GMT
(Nokia tune) HELLO!!!?! YEAH, I'M ON THE UNDERGROUND!!! Sorry, just had to say it!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2008 17:50:53 GMT
The very next paragraph in that article gives your answer! "The tube’s operator told Register Hardware that the trial hasn't taken place yet, but it’s previously said that the earliest date mobile phone coverage could be extended across the tube network is mid-2009".But why would LU want to extend mobile coverage to the tubes? I would have thought that significant advantage to tube travel was that, being well underground and surrounded by cast iron, mobiles do not work. Very simple, the next time people get stuck in a tunnel again for 90 minutes it may not cost them their job/friendship/date because they arrive late without warning. Yes, a month ago I have stood waiting for a friend outside a restaurant for over an hour who was stuck on the network without being able to alert me and the reverse has also happened. Personally, I am very lucky with an employer that is tolerant to my 40 minute margin on a 50 minute tube ride but not everyone is that lucky. I am sure weekly it costs at least one person their job. I have been begging for phone coverage in tubes so many times now, I can't wait for it to finally work. Additionally, it also means I don't need to stay at work just waiting for that one important e-mail because I am not able to get any e-mails for nearly an hour after I've left work. Don't worry about people calling, with average noise levels above 90dB texting and e-mailing is all people will be able to do on their phones anyway. |
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Post by signalfailure on Sept 15, 2008 19:29:42 GMT
Well the servers or whatever they plan to host the actual coverage on will want to have a huge usage bandwidth.
How many people are on the tube during rush-hour? 1Million??
I would think tubes are going to get VERY loud with the phones. I suppose as a plus it would help on the safety side of things.
Lets say your a very attractive female, back car with a right dodgy geeza in with you. He trys it on with you and starts to get physical.
In that space you could call the police and have him arrested at the barriers.
Im not sure i would like it as its a traditional railway! I want to hear the sound of points changing, flange squeals and shoegear arcing.
Not the sound of "oh so how are you, what you been doing"
"yes i had that very important meeting which enables me to get millions a year while i sit on my fat rear and do nothing"
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Post by ianvisits on Sept 16, 2008 13:48:43 GMT
From a network perspective, putting mobile coverage inside tunnels (via leaky feeders) has a secondary benefit - it lowers the load on the surface network when mobiles reconnect once they emerge from the station.
That usage spike just outside each station can be quite a pain to manage.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 16, 2008 14:33:10 GMT
I expect that there is a huge spike at Stratford where Central Line trains emerge from tunnels in both directions. There is enough time to send a pre-composed text message or have a short (1 minute) voice call in a normal stop.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2008 8:24:36 GMT
From a network perspective, putting mobile coverage inside tunnels (via leaky feeders) has a secondary benefit - it lowers the load on the surface network when mobiles reconnect once they emerge from the station. That usage spike just outside each station can be quite a pain to manage. For work I carry a non-UK mobile next to my UK one. At least twice a day, emerging from the Tube, I get a text saying: "Welcome in England, for enquiries..." |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2008 12:14:50 GMT
If the coverage is good enough, I could well stay on IM right through - though I haven't read anything about the plans yet. Would it include short tubes?
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Post by ianvisits on Sept 18, 2008 14:18:29 GMT
The original proposals was for a PFI funded TETRA network to be built - to unify all the radio communications across the tube network (and make it easier for emergency services to use the same network), then fund the costs by leasing spare capacity to the GSM operators.
I haven't heard about any developments it for well over a year though.
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Post by signalfailure on Sept 22, 2008 21:21:00 GMT
Would hope it wouldnt cause any interferance with the Connect system already in place. One can only imagine what these geeky hackers are capable of!
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Post by singaporesam on Sept 26, 2008 14:24:16 GMT
Is there really still no mobile coverage in the Tube ? I´m quite shocked , I thought the Connect project started 10 years ago and was meant to sort this out.
How can TFL be putting wireless internet on buses yet still have no mobile network below ?
Its really not that difficult , most technologically advanced cities have had this for more than 10 years already.
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Post by signalfailure on Sept 27, 2008 11:58:37 GMT
I dont think TFL would have installed the wireless internet connections on busses. Mainly becasue you can buy a wireless internet reciever from Mobile Companies such as VodaFone, 3. Then you purchase the contract.
Unless they install 'signal boosters'?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2008 1:31:07 GMT
Is there really still no mobile coverage in the Tube ? I´m quite shocked , I thought the Connect project started 10 years ago and was meant to sort this out. How can TFL be putting wireless internet on buses yet still have no mobile network below ? Its really not that difficult , most technologically advanced cities have had this for more than 10 years already. I nominate this post for Most Bizarre of the Year. What is it that you think Connect is? A toy for the customers to play with? |
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Post by singaporesam on Sept 28, 2008 4:16:31 GMT
I think the response that my comment is bizarre shows just how inward looking and backward LUL are .
In technologically advanced societies we have been able to use mobiles in tunnels for more than a decade.
LUL and the UK Telcos should be ashamed that they haven been able to make this happen.
With regard to Connect, as I recall when it was first conceived, the purpose of it being a PFI was to allow the fibre optic network and other cables in tunnels to be exploited for commercial purposes, i.e. private telephone networks and cellular comms.
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Post by Oracle on Sept 28, 2008 9:00:21 GMT
I got the impression that our friend was talking about the principle of passenger communications inside tunnels. That is, if Connect has been designed, for the system use, why has no-one apparently, and I say apparently, thought about civilian facilities?
I can imagine that London has sone unque problems though with use of metal tunnel rings, say, as against concrete used on later systems.
I may be peverse and over the hill after writing about the Underground for over 30 years but with utmost respect I can't see that it was an OTT comment. My brother worked for Cable & Wireless some years back and they were heavily into new systems using fibre optics, including I think on the BR network. Wasn't there also a proposal some time back to use the electricity supply network to send telephonic communications as well?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2008 12:49:41 GMT
Civilian facilities have indeed been thought about. But to say that Connect was designed to sort out whether passengers could phone their mum and ask what is for tea is about the most ludicrous thing I've heard. Connect has a slightly more important use than that!
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Post by singaporesam on Sept 29, 2008 14:39:11 GMT
What is ludicrous is that more than 12 years after other countries have implemented this , you still can´t use your phone on the tube.
Next you´ĺl be telling me that Connect doesn´t have real time transmission of on board CCTV to the control room............
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Post by Colin on Sept 29, 2008 23:26:51 GMT
Next you´ĺl be telling me that Connect doesn´t have real time transmission of on board CCTV to the control room............ Eh? Where did you get the idea that Connect has anything to do with CCTV? How many stocks do you think even have CCTV? Do you actually know what you are talking about? Connect is a verbal & text based communications tool - a cross between a radio and a mobile phone - it's nothing more & nothing less than that. What is ludicrous is that more than 12 years after other countries have implemented this , you still can´t use your phone on the tube. You said previously that you worked for LU in the 90's - therefore you should be well aware of the lack of real investment in LU by both central and local Government. For years LU hasn't had the money to do proper meaningful maintenance let alone introduce new technology. As you should also be aware, the only area which had seen proper investment in your time on LU was that of fire safety (ie, section 12 regulations resulting from the Kings Cross disaster). Only since PPP came about just a few short years ago has real investment taken place - and we are only now starting to see some of that come to fruition. Yes other countries may well be more advanced - good for them - but remember, LU is the oldest underground railway in the world and most of it was built in Victorian times........long before all these other countries you are bigging up, and long before any such technology was even dreamed of. In fact a fair chunk of is still running on 60's technology - and all credit is due to it's longevity. Other metro systems have had the benefit of building in certain technologies at the construction stage - indeed LU's Jubilee line extension in 1999 did so with it's platform edge doors. Comparing LU to other metro's in other countries is like comparing Coffee to Tea - they might both be a hot drink, but they'll never be the same taste! |
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Post by upfast on Sept 29, 2008 23:36:10 GMT
Actually Connect bandwith is being/will be used to transmit data such as CCTV to Control Rooms and the like.
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 29, 2008 23:38:04 GMT
No mobiles on the tube, its bad enough on the surface section!
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Post by Colin on Sept 30, 2008 0:02:19 GMT
Actually Connect bandwith is being/will be used to transmit data such as CCTV to Control Rooms and the like. Well I have to honest, it's the first I've heard of any such suggestion. |
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Post by singaporesam on Sept 30, 2008 14:41:11 GMT
Just testing what the response would be....
With a TETRA network and new trains like 09 Tube Stock and S Stock, Its definitely possible to put real time trainborne CCTV in the Control room. Thats how its done on the North East line in Singapore.
However, you don´t need the Tetra radio to do this , Thales have done this with Wifi in Shanghai.
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Oops - you see, I thought the last paragraph on first reading referred to the Subway! 
