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Post by programmes1 on Oct 13, 2008 9:34:59 GMT
I'm hoping MRFS sees this I have a note that says PMs were going to be introduced at Baker Street (believe it was planned 1968?) just wondering if there was a mention in WT about renumbering of trains prior to this, although it never happened.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 13, 2008 10:37:15 GMT
Yes. I know exactly which WTT it is in too. Will report when I get home.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 13, 2008 20:16:34 GMT
In WTT 58 (26/1/70) there is the following bit of information:
'In connection with the future introduction of programme machine equipment revised train numbers (111 - 167) and crew running numbers (1 - 47) have been allocated.'
I've got a (passing) interest in Bakerloo train numbering; hopefully over the winter I might be able to write up some decent notes as not only was the stock divided into 'Watford' and 'Local' stock, the local stock was subdivided into electro-pneumatic stock and standard airworked door stock. The grouping of numbers wasn't fixed during the early years of the LPTB so (for example) train 11 on a weekday was Watford stock, but on a Sunday was local stock. With the coming of the 1938 stock the numbering became more geographical with 'blocks' allocated to depots: Croxley Green, Queens Park, Elephant, Harrow et seq.
One of the more fascinating timetables I've got (in the collection as a whole) is the first one with the reintroduction of uncoupling on the Bakerloo; this WTT belonged to the duty scheduler for the Bakerloo. The marking up of amendments, especially those which were/were not Block trains before and after is a subject within itself.
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 13, 2008 20:33:21 GMT
The non-e.p. fitted trains were those with the 1920 Cammell Laird trailers. There were ten of these.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 13, 2008 20:37:44 GMT
The non-e.p. fitted trains were those with the 1920 Cammell Laird trailers. There were ten of these. Indeed - in the early LPTB WTTs the fact they were 'Cammell Laird' is declared in the RS working. |
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Post by Tom on Oct 13, 2008 22:00:59 GMT
Thankfully the PMs were never introduced - the only location on the Bakerloo and Jubilee to get them was Charing Cross (Jub).
I've also got a very interesting drawing of plans for Programme Machines on the Central Line, complete with control room at one of three locations...
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 14, 2008 5:30:55 GMT
mrfs - there is a pm on its way to you.
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Post by DWS on Oct 14, 2008 5:56:08 GMT
Thankfully the PMs were never introduced - the only location on the Bakerloo and Jubilee to get them was Charing Cross (Jub). I've also got a very interesting drawing of plans for Programme Machines on the Central Line, complete with control room at one of three locations... Can you post the plans, please ? |
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 14, 2008 6:02:59 GMT
One of the more fascinating timetables I've got (in the collection as a whole) is the first one with the reintroduction of uncoupling on the Bakerloo; this WTT belonged to the duty scheduler for the Bakerloo. The marking up of amendments, especially those which were/were not Block trains before and after is a subject within itself. The whole of Chapter 4 of "The 1938 Tube Stock" book has a description of how the stock gradually changed through successive changes of plan and the Bakerloo ended up with 31 x 3U + 4 cars and 23 x 3 + 4 cars. |
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 14, 2008 8:49:19 GMT
Thankfully the PMs were never introduced - the only location on the Bakerloo and Jubilee to get them was Charing Cross (Jub). I've also got a very interesting drawing of plans for Programme Machines on the Central Line, complete with control room at one of three locations... Tom would like to see the plans if possible. |
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Post by programmes1 on Oct 14, 2008 8:50:10 GMT
In WTT 58 (26/1/70) there is the following bit of information: 'In connection with the future introduction of programme machine equipment revised train numbers (111 - 167) and crew running numbers (1 - 47) have been allocated.' I've got a (passing) interest in Bakerloo train numbering; hopefully over the winter I might be able to write up some decent notes as not only was the stock divided into 'Watford' and 'Local' stock, the local stock was subdivided into electro-pneumatic stock and standard airworked door stock. The grouping of numbers wasn't fixed during the early years of the LPTB so (for example) train 11 on a weekday was Watford stock, but on a Sunday was local stock. With the coming of the 1938 stock the numbering became more geographical with 'blocks' allocated to depots: Croxley Green, Queens Park, Elephant, Harrow et seq. One of the more fascinating timetables I've got (in the collection as a whole) is the first one with the reintroduction of uncoupling on the Bakerloo; this WTT belonged to the duty scheduler for the Bakerloo. The marking up of amendments, especially those which were/were not Block trains before and after is a subject within itself. MRFS many thanks. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 14, 2008 12:00:52 GMT
One of the more fascinating timetables I've got (in the collection as a whole) is the first one with the reintroduction of uncoupling on the Bakerloo; this WTT belonged to the duty scheduler for the Bakerloo. The marking up of amendments, especially those which were/were not Block trains before and after is a subject within itself. The whole of Chapter 4 of "The 1938 Tube Stock" book has a description of how the stock gradually changed through successive changes of plan and the Bakerloo ended up with 31 x 3U + 4 cars and 23 x 3 + 4 cars. I know! Angelislington has kidnapped my copy of the book. ;D She's had it aaaaaages. |
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2008 17:04:59 GMT
I've also got a very interesting drawing of plans for Programme Machines on the Central Line, complete with control room at one of three locations... Tom would like to see the plans if possible. I'll see what I can do - the only problem is it is on a long 'FS' drawing which I've never completely unrolled! |
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 14, 2008 17:12:57 GMT
It would be exceptionally interesting; and possibly worthy of further research. If you can manage to extract anything, I'd be (amongst a few others) really grateful.
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Post by JR 15secs on Nov 10, 2008 15:52:58 GMT
Tom would like to see the plans if possible. I'll see what I can do - the only problem is it is on a long 'FS' drawing which I've never completely unrolled! Tom, Any luck with that drawing. |
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Post by Tom on Nov 11, 2008 22:56:52 GMT
Not yet - I've spent the last few weeks either sick, on leave or swamped with work!
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Post by Tom on Nov 11, 2008 22:57:20 GMT
Not yet - I've spent the last few weeks either sick, on leave or swamped with work!
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