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Post by Christopher J on Feb 9, 2006 14:14:12 GMT
I am aware that if an LUL train gets the stick onto the South West Mainline NR lines at Wimbledon by W375, the Trainstop will not drop, thus stopping an LUL train from proceeding if the driver accidentally accepts the route but is it possible for an NR train to accept the route into the LUL platforms without getting stopped?
If it is possible, has an incident ever occurred where an NR train has gone into the LUL platforms by mistake?
Cheers for any replies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2006 14:21:36 GMT
is it possible for an NR train to accept the route into the LUL platforms without getting stopped? If it is possible, has an incident ever occurred where an NR train has gone into the terminal platforms by mistake? Cheers for any replies. Yes it is possible. Don't know if it has ever happened though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2006 15:02:00 GMT
Yes it is possible. Don't know if it has ever happened though. What they might have fitted now is a fixed TPWS ramp? Just an idea |
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Post by Admin Team on Feb 9, 2006 22:04:38 GMT
I do have a feeling that I have seen one of 'their' trains in one of 'our' platforms; only once, and it was some time ago.
I was given 'chapter and verse' (and learnt a great deal too!) about Nat Rail signalling from one of my trainess who had - in a previous existence - been a signaller on the Big Railway. Very interesting it was too; there is (colleagues be warned!) much that can occur at Wimbledon in particular which all ties in with shunting, locos, stock moves and all sorts.
The quick/short version is this; don't EVER think of moving your train once at Wimbo - even though you may have correctly detrained and the move will be behind the signal. If circumstances were to conspire (and as sods law says they probably will) you *could* find you moving your train towards a loco comimg in the opposite direction.
Think big terminii and loco haulage!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2006 22:16:40 GMT
If you're talking about moving your train around inside the platform with the starter on, it is perfectly possible at most locations equipped with them to clear a call on stick into the platform that you're in once you've satisfied the time out...!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2006 22:30:51 GMT
there was a SWT Desiro in Wimbledon platform 4 the around 2 weeks ago,
I pulled in on a Cattle Wagon into platform 3, so i know it was definately there, lol. i wasn't imagining it, there was a couple of SA's on the platform and the Desiro left soon after we arrived, i was late for work so didn't get to see where she was going.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2006 23:24:52 GMT
parsons green can do the same  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2006 1:13:00 GMT
Apparently it's a regular NR move into platform 4 then into the depot. I'm sure there are 'cats eyes' on the p4 starter (Cats eyes is one of the mainline slang terms for a position light signal, by the way!).
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Post by Colin on Feb 10, 2006 1:22:03 GMT
In relation to the Wimbledon branch - I was always taught that any move other than those we do routinely every day, must be confirmed on a signal post telephone (etc) with the signal operator prior to starting the move.
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Post by trainopd78 on Feb 10, 2006 23:56:28 GMT
SWt drivers are required to be route trained into Platforms 1 to 4 at Wimbledon, so there are occasional empty stock moves in to "our" platforms at Wimbledon to facilitate this. I've got a picture on my hard drive somewhere of such a move.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2006 21:53:59 GMT
Yes it is possible. Don't know if it has ever happened though. What they might have fitted now is a fixed TPWS ramp? Just an idea [pedant] TPWS Grid[/pedant] SWT stock is diagrammed to REV wimbo P4 3 times a day. You run into issues though when you try and reverse a 10car 444 there... |
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Post by Christopher J on Feb 12, 2006 22:03:05 GMT
You run into issues though when you try and reverse a 10car 444 there... I reckon they'd be pushing it for space even with a 5 car 444. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2006 23:13:53 GMT
I reckon they'd be pushing it for space even with a 5 car 444. What, they're longer than a 6 car D stock?  |
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Post by Christopher J on Feb 13, 2006 0:02:54 GMT
What, they're longer than a 6 car D stock? According to the research I just did, they are about 6m longer. 5 car 444 Desiro (formed of DMC + TSOB + TSO + TSO + DMS) = 115MTwo single ended D78 stock (formed of DMC + TC + UNDM + UNDM + TC + DMC) = 109m |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2006 11:50:42 GMT
What, they're longer than a 6 car D stock? According to the research I just did, they are about 6m longer. 5 car 444 Desiro (formed of DMC + TSOB + TSO + TSO + DMS) = 115MTwo single ended D78 stock (formed of DMC + TC + UNDM + UNDM + TC + DMC) = 109m6 meters difference isn't a problem I estimate that there is at least an additional 20 meters between the cab of a D stock train and the starter. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2006 17:50:28 GMT
According to the research I just did, they are about 6m longer. 5 car 444 Desiro (formed of DMC + TSOB + TSO + TSO + DMS) = 115MTwo single ended D78 stock (formed of DMC + TC + UNDM + UNDM + TC + DMC) = 109m6 meters difference isn't a problem I estimate that there is at least an additional 20 meters between the cab of a D stock train and the starter. Yes, at 6m longer it would still fit. Those are seriously long cars, though! |
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