The Land of Confusion

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Apologies if this has been mentioned before.

Glossy LUL staff blurb says Shepherd's Bush (Met) has been renamed in order to avoid any confusion caused 'to our customers' by having stations on separate sites sharing a common name. Nice one, Einstein. Presumably this then also includes Hammersmith and Edgware Road. Both involve crossing VERY busy roads.

[citysig]

The opportunity was taken to rename Shepherd's Bush (Met) station to reflect its close proximity to the market, as part of the massive redevelopment of the area. It does also mark the station as being completely separate.

Hammersmith's two stations are treated as an interchange, and thus share the same name albeit being 2 different stations. If memory serves there is both a subway and fairly decent pedestrian crossings providing step-free access between the two.

Edgware Road's two stations are not treated as an interchange, but are quite close and can be accessed safely either by subway(s) or via pedestrian crossings. They share the same name as they are both on the Edgware Road within a short distance of each other. There is not really another name either of them could have without confusing people.

Neither of the stations you mention require the user to jaywalk across any road to reach them safely.

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There's no subway at Hammersmith AFAIK.

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Dec 6, 2008 22:47:59 GMT @innocentabroad said:

There's no subway at Hammersmith AFAIK.

There was, but it's now closed.

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Is there not a shopping centre at Hammersmith, which one can use to transfer between the stations? Was there a couple of years ago ..

Apologies if this is the thing that adw means, that has closed.

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Now that Wood Lane is open there's no emphasis on Bush as an interchange, another reason to change the name of the Met station.

Joe S the shopping centre is built around Hammersmith station, with an entrance at either end. To get to Hammersmith Met you have to come outside the shopping centre and cross the road, they are totally different stations.

It's only the Marylebone Flyover that makes the interchange between the Edgware Road stations seem difficult. We really need a London 'Big Dig' to get rid of that section of motorway.

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It may have been mentioned before but Wood Lane and White City not being marked as interchange (or having a direct link between H&C and Central for passengers) seems madness to me. They are nearer each other (and there's no crossing roads or subways) than either the Edgware Rds or Hammersmiths. Not putting a bridge between the 2 sets of platforms seems like a wasted opportunity to me.

[cetacean]

Wood Lane and White City are marked as an interchange, and it's free to change there on Oyster PAYG. Building a bridge between the platforms would have been pretty expensive and only slightly more convenient, which isn't worth it given the likely level of interchange traffic.

Despite its reputation, I've always found changing between the Hammersmiths pretty quick and easy.

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I found it werid that the central line diagram shows White City as an interchange with the H & C yet the new H & C map doesn't.

I think this is to do with the fact the joint Circle/H & C line diagram need changing as it cant be done with stickers.

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It also seems odd to rename one station to avoid having two "Shepherd's Bushes" in the same area, then promptly open another station with exactly the same name, thus immediately replicating the self same situation! (Yes I know one is LU and the other LO.)

[cetacean]

The two remaining Shepherd's Bushes are a stone's throw from each other and designed as a direct interchange, something that wasn't true of the previous two. They deliberately made the names the same.

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Indeed the name for the area is Shepherd's Bush Interchange, you have bus stops in the stone's throw between the two stations. It's a very good spot, I reckon you're pretty much one change away from most of the UK via Tube, Overground or Bus.

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Dec 7, 2008 2:23:25 GMT @sturdjos said:

Is there not a shopping centre at Hammersmith, which one can use to transfer between the stations? Was there a couple of years ago ..

Apologies if this is the thing that adw means, that has closed.

I think the Subway closed when the Broadway Centre opened. (early 90's I think)

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Dec 8, 2008 11:02:06 GMT @thestoon said:

Dec 7, 2008 2:23:25 GMT @sturdjos said:

Is there not a shopping centre at Hammersmith, which one can use to transfer between the stations? Was there a couple of years ago ..

Apologies if this is the thing that adw means, that has closed.

I think the Subway closed when the Broadway Centre opened. (early 90's I think)

And it stank too!

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Dec 6, 2008 19:16:58 GMT @citysig said:

If memory serves there is both a subway and fairly decent pedestrian crossings providing step-free access between the two.

Neither of the stations you mention require the user to jaywalk across any road to reach them safely.

Two pedestrian cossings at each and no subway at either.

[Chris M]

I've only changed between the Edgware Road stations once, from Bakerloo to Met, but part of that interchange was in a subway.

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Dec 6, 2008 19:16:58 GMT @citysig said:

If memory serves there is both a subway and fairly decent pedestrian crossings providing step-free access between the two.

Neither of the stations you mention require the user to jaywalk across any road to reach them safely.

Dec 8, 2008 21:59:43 GMT @hogspanker said:

Two pedestrian cossings at each and no subway at either.

Well, subways do often involve steps and occasional odours as mentioned above, whereas pedestrian crossings generally involve movement over a level surface. Provided everyone adheres to the highway laws of the land, no jaywalking required. Very bust roads as you have already mentioned, but just as man has conquered boiling an egg, then crossing Hammersmith Broadway is no mean feat.

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Ok, fair enough, you win. I'll just have to look out for that two line highway next time I cross a station concourse .....

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Dec 8, 2008 21:59:43 GMT @hogspanker said:

Two pedestrian cossings at each and no subway at either.

I seem to remember that there are not one, but two subways at Edgware Road. One is on the East side of Edgware Road itself, directly under the Marylebone Flyover. The other is further East, from the North side of the Circle line station building at the North end of Cabbell Street to the South end of Lisson Street. If either of these has now been closed, it's happened within the last 4 years or so.

There is very little benefit in changing to/from the Bakerloo line here as it can much more effectively be done at Paddington or Baker Street. Still, it does cause confusion for some.

Renaming seems unlikely but I'd suggest renaming the Bakerloo station Paddington Green, as it's opposite the major police station of that name.

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Dec 6, 2008 19:16:58 GMT @citysig said:

They share the same name as they are both on the Edgware Road within a short distance of each other.

Actually they aren't. The Bakerloo station is on Edgware Road but the SSL station is on the corner of Chapel Street and Cabbell Street, with Marylebone Road to the North.

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At one time, didn't tube maps show an interchange at Edgware Rd between the Bakerloo and SSLs?

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Chuck a right down the side street immediately outside the SSL station, bear left, cross over the 2 slip roads under the flyover and you are at the Bakerloo station in half the time. No subways. Takes 2 mins.

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Dec 15, 2008 20:26:55 GMT @paul said:

Renaming seems unlikely but I'd suggest renaming the Bakerloo station Paddington Green, as it's opposite the major police station of that name.

Leaving even more confused people, as I daresay the numbers wanting to use Edgware Road (either station) are nowhere near the numbers of those who wanted the Circle/District/Bakerloo and National Rail interchange of the "same" (or similar) name ;D.

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Dec 16, 2008 3:40:26 GMT ruislip said:

At one time, didn't tube maps show an interchange at Edgware Rd between the Bakerloo and SSLs?

I remember, several decades ago, staying in London close to Edgware Rd, and attending courses near Piccadilly. I used weekly season-tickets, and they were marked "Piccadilly Circus to Edgware Rd B".
This tends to mean that the two stations were considered (in the late 60's) as different, at least from the fare point of view.