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Post by bicbasher on Dec 9, 2013 21:15:09 GMT
So that will be the first door on the 1st car and the rear door on the 5th car which won't open at Canada Water?
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 9, 2013 21:23:13 GMT
canada water should had extended since its new built station (built in late 1990's) which could easily extended (it not hard to extend the platforms bit) just demlish tunnel parts and extend it - just small platform extensions
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Post by bicbasher on Dec 9, 2013 21:51:25 GMT
canada water should had extended since its new built station (built in 2000's) which could easily extended (it not hard to extend the platforms bit) just demlish tunnel parts and extend it - just small platform extensions Canada Water was built in the late 90s and opened in September 1999 when the second phase of the JLE opened.
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 9, 2013 21:57:35 GMT
canada water should had extended since its new built station (built in 2000's) which could easily extended (it not hard to extend the platforms bit) just demlish tunnel parts and extend it - just small platform extensions Canada Water was built in the late 90s and opened in September 1999 when the second phase of the JLE opened. ah i forget - thanks - but actually opened east london line platforms first (before Jubbiee line opened) from Wiki
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Post by dpb on Dec 9, 2013 22:12:07 GMT
Is platform 2 (I think it is) at Highbury & Islington currently long enough for 5 cars or are they going to have to use the full length of the platform and therefore complete the small section on unelectrified track?
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 9, 2013 22:17:59 GMT
Can only say once again the platforms at Canada Water are not going to be extended for the 5 car train project.
Tube Lines engineers are planning the work there.
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Post by ianvisits on Dec 10, 2013 12:08:16 GMT
Can only say once again the platforms at Canada Water are not going to be extended for the 5 car train project. Tube Lines engineers are planning the work there. The platforms wont be extended, but my understanding from a recent site visit is that the usable length of the existing platform can be extended by removing some of the facilities occupying the platform space at the southern end. It allows one extra door on the train to be brought into use.
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 10, 2013 14:09:59 GMT
Can only say once again the platforms at Canada Water are not going to be extended for the 5 car train project. Tube Lines engineers are planning the work there. The platforms wont be extended, but my understanding from a recent site visit is that the usable length of the existing platform can be extended by removing some of the facilities occupying the platform space at the southern end. It allows one extra door on the train to be brought into use. Exactly - and why SDO for the site is included in the press release
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Post by melikepie on Dec 20, 2013 12:18:31 GMT
What works are there to be at Wapping? It looks as though the news item mentions both platform extension and SDO at Canada Water and Wapping in April-June next year. I have read above though.
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Post by Ben on Dec 20, 2013 12:54:32 GMT
Just in case some aren't familiar with the area, Canada Water has the shortest platforms on the former ELL (and is on a 1 in 80 gradient), whereas Wapping and Rotherhithe are argueably the narrowest.
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Post by bicbasher on Dec 20, 2013 16:38:23 GMT
The RRB's on Monday, Christmas Eve and Friday are slightly different compared to the normal weekend services when the ELL core is closed.
Bus X: Dalston Kingsland - Dalston Junction - Haggerston - Hoxton - Shoreditch High Street - Aldgate East - Tower Gateway - Bermondsey - Canada Water (also for Rotherhithe) - Surrey Quays - Deptford Bridge - New Cross - New Cross Gate.
Bus W: Shoreditch High Street - Whitechapel - Shadwell - Wapping.
Bus M: Canada Water - Surrey Quays - Queens Road Peckham - Peckham Rye - Denmark Hill - Clapham High Street - Wandsworth Road - Clapham Junction.
No RRB between New Cross Gate and Crystal Palace/West Croydon with Southern providing services instead.
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Post by longhedge on Dec 21, 2013 9:04:14 GMT
What works are there to be at Wapping? It looks as though the news item mentions both platform extension and SDO at Canada Water and Wapping in April-June next year. I have read above though. I was at Wapping station last Sunday, to go down the original construction shaft under the auspices of the Brunel Museum. From memory, there is some `station furniture` that would require removal prior to the instigation of 5-car running. There is the usual metal barrier, and on the Surrey Quays platform, there is a small brick building, although whether this is able/going to be removed I do not know. Trust this observation is helpful.
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Post by longhedge on Dec 21, 2013 9:06:43 GMT
My above post is confusing. The shaft is at Rotherhithe Station; I went to Wapping subsequently. I was amazed how narrow the platforms are, with the sound of constant running water by the twin Thames Tunnel portals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 12:56:00 GMT
Lots of people in orange hi-vis workwear working on the ELL platform extensions at Canonbury this morning. One of the operatives was asking the station staff if there was any water supply to the platforms. With the way the rain is lashing down at the moment, I wouldn't have thought they needed any extra moisture!
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Post by Ben on Jan 6, 2014 12:14:36 GMT
Did much happen over the Xmas-New Year break?
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Post by longhedge on Jan 6, 2014 12:37:49 GMT
Apropos Surrey Quays station - I noticed a week ago that at the South end of the Northbound platform, footings have gone in for a platform extension. I found this somewhat surprising as there seems to be room at the other end of the platform to take 5 car trains already if the barrier was taken down. Perhaps this is provision for future 6 car trains.
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Post by redbond on Jan 6, 2014 15:05:22 GMT
A lot that passengers can't see has been completed too. The points connecting to the new Silwood Sidings have been installed and also a crossover to get from said sidings on to the Down just after the bridge has been put in too.
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Post by longhedge on Jan 6, 2014 18:13:29 GMT
Re my above note re Surrey Quays. I travelled to New Cross this afternoon, and had 12 minutes to `kill` at SQ. The southern extension of the platform does not appear to be 20 meters long, nor does the northern part of the platform closed off to passengers with a barrier. So I guess the station platform length will end up being for 5 cars only. There has been no activity yet on the opposite platform.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 6:59:36 GMT
Can only say once again the platforms at Canada Water are not going to be extended for the 5 car train project. Tube Lines engineers are planning the work there. The platforms wont be extended, but my understanding from a recent site visit is that the usable length of the existing platform can be extended by removing some of the facilities occupying the platform space at the southern end. It allows one extra door on the train to be brought into use. This work has started in the last couple of weeks. At the south end of the NB platform the wall that ran parallel to the track from the emergency exit doors to the tunnel mouth has been removed. The emergency exit stairs can now be seen from the SB platform. Depending on how they intend to rework the emergency exit access, there looks to be about half a car length (ish) of extra platform space potentially available. On the SB platform the equipment cupboards at the south end are carrying notices implying that their contents have been relocated so presumably some alteration to those will be starting soon.
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Post by rsdworker on Apr 3, 2014 8:44:00 GMT
ah canada water will have new short extensions so means possible a 4 car and half to fit in?
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Post by redbond on Apr 3, 2014 12:45:06 GMT
From what I've heard around the depot, don't know how true it is though, is that the first and last set of doors won't open at Canada Water.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 17:35:52 GMT
From what I've heard around the depot, don't know how true it is though, is that the first and last set of doors won't open at Canada Water. That was what I had heard before but then why the works if only the same number of doors can fit on? At various times I had heard they were going to hack out some of the tunnel but it's apparent that the constraints were on whatever was housed in the existing platform box. Both the northbound and southbound platforms appear to have works at the rear end of the platforms to at least get one extra set of doors on. I'm curious though about the situation at the leading end. They've moved the SPT's, etc and there are those curious holes with a kind of lintel arrangement. I'm curious at to whether work is also to be advanced at the leading edge to at least put the leading cab further forward (a bit like it sits at Rotherhithe on the up at the moment) which would put the first set of doors just short of the barrier and possibly even get the rears of a 5 car on with the extra work at the rear of the platforms. It would make a HUGE difference to dwell times if it were possible to get all doors on and not require SDO here. I'm sure with the works that there will be at least 9 doors on.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 3, 2014 19:34:26 GMT
Work at Canada Water is still to be finalised but I understand it will first car halfway out of the platform and the same for the last car.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 20:45:55 GMT
Work at Canada Water is still to be finalised but I understand it will first car halfway out of the platform and the same for the last car. Do you mean half way in the sense that first and last doors would still be off (as said before there would be nothing achieved then)? Or do you mean that more like a third is off at each end so both sets of doors on the first and last carriages are still on the platform? What still has to finalised? It looks as though work is happening at both ends of both platforms, even though it's most apparent at the rear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 7:32:58 GMT
Work at Canada Water is still to be finalised but I understand it will first car halfway out of the platform and the same for the last car. As the work has started then that implies they've started making structural alterations to the station before deciding what the final objective is. That doesn't make any sense to me at all. As others have said if the plan is the same number of doors in the platform as now then why do anything?
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Post by longhedge on Apr 4, 2014 8:56:06 GMT
I fully concur that the works at Canada Water make no sense unless 1 set of doors can be opened in the rear carriage.
I do wonder why the plans have not been published. During the works on the NLL to extend platforms from 3 to 4 cars a couple of years back, Network Rail published full information on the Web. Why is TFL so secretive on this? I appreciates `financials` are tight at the moment, but surely they still have a press officer. I fully concur with `dy444`. Surely you don`t start works without having a detailed scope of works. As a retired Prince2 project manager, I have never known a project start without a given deliverable.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 4, 2014 18:04:54 GMT
Some doors will open in both the first and last carriages of the five at Canada Water
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Post by andypurk on Apr 4, 2014 19:56:22 GMT
Some doors will open in both the first and last carriages of the five at Canada Water If that is only one pair of doors in both the first and last carriage, then what is the need of doing any work, as it would still be the equivalent of four carriages being completely berthed in the platform. If the platforms are not to be lengthened at all, with trains stopping as you describe, then surely the only work for five carriage trains would be dealing with the signalling for the scissors crossover at the south end of the station.
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Post by dmncf on Apr 4, 2014 21:26:30 GMT
This TfL press release link mentioned that "at Wembley former freight sidings will be upgraded to stable passenger trains". I presume this is because Willesden Junction depot is quite a constrained site and cannot accommodate the additional space pressure of 5 car trains. I already notice that London Overground trains get stabled at Chalk Farm sidings (opposite Morrisons) and inside Euston Station on many weekends. Where exactly will these new London Overground sidings be in Wembley?
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Post by dazz285 on Apr 5, 2014 6:31:27 GMT
If you google maps Blackmore drive, Stonebridge Park Stn. www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5436123,-0.2781283,325m/data=!3m1!1e3 The first 6 roads south of the buildings. Hope this helps?
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