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Post by snoggle on Aug 15, 2013 20:29:46 GMT
TfL have announced the appointment of Cleshars to extend some platforms on the East London and New South London lines. A few highlights from the press release - not all to do with the ELL / SLL. - late 2014 is the earliest date when extended trains will start running. - not all of the ELL platforms are referenced in the list of works. Whitechapel is not mentioned neither is Rotherhithe. However Canada Water is mentioned so it will be interesting to see what work is done there given the long standing concerns about platform lengths there. - none of the platforms on the route to Crystal Palace and West Croydon are mentioned but that's not a surprise. - Predictably Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street are in scope of extensions but quite why Clapham Junction is mentioned is beyond me. The SLL platform stretches half way to Wandsworth  - the contractor for works to NLL and WLL platforms will be appointed later this year. - A footnote states that GOBLIN electrification will complete in 2017. However TfL are investigating ways to increase capacity in the short term. I wonder what that will entail? |
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 15, 2013 22:34:10 GMT
I'm really surprised Whitechapel isn't on the press release. It'll become a much busier hub once Crossrail opens in 2019.
EDIT: The work at Whitechapel may come under the Crossrail contract.
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Post by mcmaddog on Aug 16, 2013 6:17:12 GMT
I'm really surprised Whitechapel isn't on the press release. It'll become a much busier hub once Crossrail opens in 2019. EDIT: The work at Whitechapel may come under the Crossrail contract. Yes, you can't extend the platform with the footbridge there. Once Crossrail delivers the new pedestrian access, the footbridge can go and platform extension should be simple |
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 16, 2013 9:18:26 GMT
I'm really surprised Whitechapel isn't on the press release. It'll become a much busier hub once Crossrail opens in 2019. EDIT: The work at Whitechapel may come under the Crossrail contract. Yes, you can't extend the platform with the footbridge there. Once Crossrail delivers the new pedestrian access, the footbridge can go and platform extension should be simple Thanks, so it looks like SDO will be in use at Whitechapel for a period after Dec 2014. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 0:52:15 GMT
I understand that they are going to hack out a bit of the tunnel at Canada Water (I believe at the southern end?). The drivers cab will sit off the end as it does now but I understand all passenger doors on the 5 car would be on the platform. They are probably prepared to spend more money there, otherwise the dwell times would be horrendous with a 5th car off the platform. The likes of Rotherhithe will be SDO because it is one of the least used stations anyway - even at peak times.
On another note, the ground levelling at the new Silwood Sidings is moving on apace. They reckon it might be just 4-5 months before the sidings are operational (they need to be so that units can be berthed there in order for work to be carried out at the depot).
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 17, 2013 15:14:56 GMT
On the section between New Cross Gate and West Croydon/Crystal Palace, will we see trains stop at the 8/10 car marker, or will we see 5 car Class 378 markers?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 17:01:52 GMT
On the section between New Cross Gate and West Croydon/Crystal Palace, will we see trains stop at the 8/10 car marker, or will we see 5 car Class 378 markers? I'm not sure yet. Most stations it will be ok to stop at markers where currently placed as there's still plenty of room to the rear and I couldn't see us being pushed forward to the stop mark at the end of the down platform at Honor Oak Park for example, but on the up I suspect they will put a 5 car board further forward. It will be a case of station by station decisions I would think. Stopping at the same place on the down at Forest Hill would probably suit passengers well with a 5 car. |
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 17, 2013 18:07:46 GMT
On the section between New Cross Gate and West Croydon/Crystal Palace, will we see trains stop at the 8/10 car marker, or will we see 5 car Class 378 markers? I'm not sure yet. Most stations it will be ok to stop at markers where currently placed as there's still plenty of room to the rear and I couldn't see us being pushed forward to the stop mark at the end of the down platform at Honor Oak Park for example, but on the up I suspect they will put a 5 car board further forward. It will be a case of station by station decisions I would think. Stopping at the same place on the down at Forest Hill would probably suit passengers well with a 5 car. Using Forest Hill as an example using the 4 car marker, this should mean the 5th car is by the footbridge. Currently passengers aim to walk down to the fourth carriage final door which is nearest to the Perry Vale side entrance and the footbridge. I'd imagine the same for HOP using the 4 car 378 marker. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 6:00:13 GMT
5 car stop markers have started appearing at various Southern stations ahead of the introduction of the 5 car Class 377/6 units. I don't travel on the section between New Cross Gate and Norwood Junction but presumably such markers will appear at stations there as these are also used by Southern. If so then LO will have the option of using them when the 378s are lengthened.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 15:18:45 GMT
Am I right in thinking that all ELL stations north of Whitechapel are already long enough for five car 378s? They are all either new or were already quite long because they're stations on the NLL too.
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 19, 2013 18:32:27 GMT
5 car stop markers have started appearing at various Southern stations ahead of the introduction of the 5 car Class 377/6 units. I don't travel on the section between New Cross Gate and Norwood Junction but presumably such markers will appear at stations there as these are also used by Southern. If so then LO will have the option of using them when the 378s are lengthened. I couldn't see any 5 car markers between New Cross Gate and Forest Hill today. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 22:36:04 GMT
I couldn't see any 5 car markers between New Cross Gate and Forest Hill today. No indeed, there are no new 5 car markers over the entire ELL routes down to W Croydon, Crystal Palace or Clapham Junction as yet. Whatever Southern do I don't envisage LOROL installing 5 car/new 378 markers on the stations they have responsibility for until much closer to the date when 5 cars enter service. I am sure however that they will utilise Southern 5 car markers if they are introduced ahead of then. |
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Post by mcmaddog on Aug 30, 2013 17:33:39 GMT
5 car markers now present between New Cross Gate and Forest Hill
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Post by bicbasher on Aug 31, 2013 9:55:40 GMT
5 car markers now present between New Cross Gate and Forest Hill I also noticed the mirrors have been turned round at Honor Oak Park northbound. |
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Post by Ben on Aug 31, 2013 19:24:34 GMT
Hows work comming on on the ELL bit? Anyone have any pictures?
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Post by redbond on Sept 16, 2013 7:40:50 GMT
The Silwood Sidings site has been completely leveled, drainage appears to be in and when I drove past yesterday rope markings had been placed. Next time I'm passing in the rear cab I'll try and take a photo.
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Post by bicbasher on Sept 16, 2013 11:33:31 GMT
Silwood's looking good from what I saw from the ELL going northbound from New Cross Gate.
There appears to be block closures of the whole ELL core on October 19/20, Nov 2/3, Nov 9/10 (H&I to Shadwell), Nov 23/24, Dec 23-28, Jan 11-12 (H&I to Shadwell), 15-16 March (H&I to Shadwell).
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Post by snoggle on Sept 16, 2013 16:10:53 GMT
Silwood's looking good from what I saw from the ELL going northbound from New Cross Gate. There appears to be block closures of the whole ELL core on October 19/20, Nov 2/3, Nov 9/10 (H&I to Shadwell), Nov 23/24, Dec 23-28, Jan 11-12 (H&I to Shadwell), 15-16 March (H&I to Shadwell). Your post made me look at the upcoming closures list. I am astounded that the entire ELL is suspended on 23rd and 24th December. While I accept some people will take the full week off these are still working and shopping days and I'm amazed that TfL consider it viable to shut down the entire service. I know the work has to be done some time but that is a very big closure affecting a lot of people. |
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Post by rsdworker on Sept 16, 2013 17:21:49 GMT
Silwood's looking good from what I saw from the ELL going northbound from New Cross Gate. There appears to be block closures of the whole ELL core on October 19/20, Nov 2/3, Nov 9/10 (H&I to Shadwell), Nov 23/24, Dec 23-28, Jan 11-12 (H&I to Shadwell), 15-16 March (H&I to Shadwell). Your post made me look at the upcoming closures list. I am astounded that the entire ELL is suspended on 23rd and 24th December. While I accept some people will take the full week off these are still working and shopping days and I'm amazed that TfL consider it viable to shut down the entire service. I know the work has to be done some time but that is a very big closure affecting a lot of people. well few years ago - Jubbiee line had shut down for long time to upgrade - which reopened before xmas day i think i remember - its simllar but they need avoid shut downs - what about TFL have other lines open on 24th dec to balance the big closure |
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Post by bicbasher on Sept 16, 2013 18:29:44 GMT
Silwood's looking good from what I saw from the ELL going northbound from New Cross Gate. There appears to be block closures of the whole ELL core on October 19/20, Nov 2/3, Nov 9/10 (H&I to Shadwell), Nov 23/24, Dec 23-28, Jan 11-12 (H&I to Shadwell), 15-16 March (H&I to Shadwell). Your post made me look at the upcoming closures list. I am astounded that the entire ELL is suspended on 23rd and 24th December. While I accept some people will take the full week off these are still working and shopping days and I'm amazed that TfL consider it viable to shut down the entire service. I know the work has to be done some time but that is a very big closure affecting a lot of people. NRE or Southern haven't released their engineering works timetable yet, but I'm hoping Southern will maintain a 4tph service up until Christmas Eve, although Network Rail may use the time considering the block ELL closure over Christmas to do maintenance on the NXG to Crystal Palace/West Croydon section. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 18:15:04 GMT
I understand that they are going to hack out a bit of the tunnel at Canada Water (I believe at the southern end?). The drivers cab will sit off the end as it does now but I understand all passenger doors on the 5 car would be on the platform. They are probably prepared to spend more money there, otherwise the dwell times would be horrendous with a 5th car off the platform. The likes of Rotherhithe will be SDO because it is one of the least used stations anyway - even at peak times. On another note, the ground levelling at the new Silwood Sidings is moving on apace. They reckon it might be just 4-5 months before the sidings are operational (they need to be so that units can be berthed there in order for work to be carried out at the depot). I read that they are going to hacking a bit of the Southern Wall to make space, but as you say the cab will still be in the tunnel. |
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Post by bicbasher on Sept 26, 2013 20:14:29 GMT
Your post made me look at the upcoming closures list. I am astounded that the entire ELL is suspended on 23rd and 24th December. While I accept some people will take the full week off these are still working and shopping days and I'm amazed that TfL consider it viable to shut down the entire service. I know the work has to be done some time but that is a very big closure affecting a lot of people. Southern have released their Christmas changes where Southern will be providing the normal timetable on the 23rd and early closedown on 24th despite the full closure of the ELL. On the 27th, there is 2tph between Brockley and Anerley as the Outer SLL is closed with 4tph at New Cross Gate and Norwood Junction. www.southernrailway.com/your-journey/plan-your-journey/christmas-train-services |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 17:20:49 GMT
Survey work was carried out at Canonbury this Saturday (5th October 2013) by contractor Cleshar. Information leaflet advised they were testing the condition of the ground where the platforms will be extended. Work involved some vegetation clearance, and the use of a small drilling rig to dig down for soil samples.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 19:05:41 GMT
Hows work comming on on the ELL bit? Anyone have any pictures? Nothing particularly to note on the platforms. The most obvious progress is at the Silwood sidings |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 7:46:08 GMT
New Modern Railways is indicating an increasing number of 5 and 10 car sets on Southern, with 10 car sets operating on many services throughout the week (p49). This presumably will be worked up over the coming months as the new 377/6s come on stream. Following a couple of meetings with LOROL managers and a new person from TfLs external relations dept, she actually turned up for an external meeting (mucho Brownie points, TfL) with BGOLUG people.
At the moment little has been set out beyond an outline of planned station works, where some details are still being worked up. TfL took on board that there needed to be a greater dissemination of information of why there needs to be further weekend closures for station works, connections into Silwood and so-on.
Gospel Oak bay is going to be a problem, as relocating the buffer stop would invoke new regs, and make the bay even less able to take a 4-car set! This reinforces the short to medium term plan to reinstate 313s as a 5 year stopgap until the major works on both the ELL and NLL are completed.
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Post by bicbasher on Nov 18, 2013 20:07:43 GMT
The ELL platform extension work will commence during Christmas week when the block closure is in place.
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Post by andypurk on Nov 18, 2013 23:38:26 GMT
Gospel Oak bay is going to be a problem, as relocating the buffer stop would invoke new regs, and make the bay even less able to take a 4-car set! This reinforces the short to medium term plan to reinstate 313s as a 5 year stopgap until the major works on both the ELL and NLL are completed. I don't see why Gospel Oak bay would have anything to do with class 313s potentially being reinstated. The bay platform is only accessible from the Barking direction, not from the NLL, and the eastbound NLL platform is already long enough for five car class 378 units, so there is no need to adjust the bay platform. Future stock electric stock on GOBLIN is another matter, but four car class 378s will easily fit into the bay (as a pair of the longer class 172s can already fit) and other locations (e.g. South Tottenham) are likely to be more problematic than Gospel Oak. The obvious solution would be to buy several more class 378s (4 or 5 car units) and use these as a buffer during the lengthening of the some or all of existing 57 class 378s, but it may already be too late to consider this. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 9, 2013 18:28:22 GMT
Further press release from TfL today setting out the appointment of a contractor for NLL and some ELL platform works. Press releaseIt confirms which stops will have SDO in place. This includes Canada Water even though works are planned there. The press release also confirms that Network Rail are lengthening the WLL platforms to cater for longer Southern trains. Clearly Overground will benefit from this work too. The East London works are the priority with the result that Canonbury and Highbury works are split into two phases. |
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 9, 2013 18:35:03 GMT
Further press release from TfL today setting out the appointment of a contractor for NLL and some ELL platform works. Press releaseIt confirms which stops will have SDO in place. This includes Canada Water even though works are planned there. The press release also confirms that Network Rail are lengthening the WLL platforms to cater for longer Southern trains. Clearly Overground will benefit from this work too. The East London works are the priority with the result that Canonbury and Highbury works are split into two phases. No surprise about Canada Water. The platform length means that half the front and rear car of a 5 car train will be in tunnel. Tube Lines are installing monitors. |
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