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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 12:26:35 GMT
Or are you suggesting that all parents should stay at home until their children are old enough to travel independently? To be fair, it would make things a lot more peaceful! I actually don't think that, of course, but I do think that if you have young kids, you should avoid jamming them onto a completely full train cause of service disruption. I was caught up in some Central line disruption a couple of years ago and a completely and utterly full to the brim train pulled into a Holborn platform that looked like Wembley stadium and mummy and daddy had no qualms about barging people out of the way to get their kids onto this train. I have never been more scared on a tube journey - for the kids in particular. I would've found another way home, or waited a few hours for the service to recover, of - if getting home on time was really that important - taken a cab - at least part of the way. I wouldn't have risked that.
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 17, 2014 15:01:11 GMT
Or are you suggesting that all parents should stay at home until their children are old enough to travel independently? To be fair, it would make things a lot more peaceful! I actually don't think that, of course, but I do think that if you have young kids, you should avoid jamming them onto a completely full train cause of service disruption. I was caught up in some Central line disruption a couple of years ago and a completely and utterly full to the brim train pulled into a Holborn platform that looked like Wembley stadium and mummy and daddy had no qualms about barging people out of the way to get their kids onto this train. I have never been more scared on a tube journey - for the kids in particular. I would've found another way home, or waited a few hours for the service to recover, of - if getting home on time was really that important - taken a cab - at least part of the way. I wouldn't have risked that. And, lo and behold, that's the next generation being taught how to live, just do like Mummy & Daddy.
What would be ideal is if parents took responsibility for their children in any public environment, especially somewhere as potentially dangerous for little children as the Tube. And for those who say, you need eyes like a hawk to keep a proper watch on them, that's what being a parent actually entails.
Just take a look at the sparrows in your garden & see how closely the parents scan the area for predators before they land on the deck to feed junior, or even go down on it to get food & take back up to the tree for the youngster. That's how basic the instinct to nurture your brood is, and should be in human beings.
There's plenty of places, like the back yard, for letting them find out what happens when you run around like a headless chicken & fall over. It hurts, you get up & hopefully think a little more next time before you do it.
Not quite the same on the Tube, and time for adults to take the responsibility, not the poor T/op or platform staff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 18:31:44 GMT
The woman involved in last week’s incident is seen as a heroine by some when in reality she is the one who put her child's life in danger no one else! ! Actually, if you look at the CCTV footage you will see that it was not her who parked the buggy there and omitted to put the brakes on. OK the person who parked buggy then I hope they are identified soon I guess the mum knows who it is? What about the recess parents that up/go down the escalators with a buggy with child on board with 2 front wheels on a step and the back ones overhanging, unbelievably stupidity! perfectly safe if you apply the brakes and stand below the buggy, holding on to it. Or are you suggesting that all parents should stay at home until their children are old enough to travel independently? No just act responsibly and safely for their children, themselves, other passengers and TFL staff failing that I agree that these "parents should stay at home until their children are old enough to travel independently"
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Post by North End on Aug 17, 2014 22:23:19 GMT
To be fair, it would make things a lot more peaceful! I actually don't think that, of course, but I do think that if you have young kids, you should avoid jamming them onto a completely full train cause of service disruption. I was caught up in some Central line disruption a couple of years ago and a completely and utterly full to the brim train pulled into a Holborn platform that looked like Wembley stadium and mummy and daddy had no qualms about barging people out of the way to get their kids onto this train. I have never been more scared on a tube journey - for the kids in particular. I would've found another way home, or waited a few hours for the service to recover, of - if getting home on time was really that important - taken a cab - at least part of the way. I wouldn't have risked that. And, lo and behold, that's the next generation being taught how to live, just do like Mummy & Daddy.
What would be ideal is if parents took responsibility for their children in any public environment, especially somewhere as potentially dangerous for little children as the Tube. And for those who say, you need eyes like a hawk to keep a proper watch on them, that's what being a parent actually entails.
Just take a look at the sparrows in your garden & see how closely the parents scan the area for predators before they land on the deck to feed junior, or even go down on it to get food & take back up to the tree for the youngster. That's how basic the instinct to nurture your brood is, and should be in human beings.
There's plenty of places, like the back yard, for letting them find out what happens when you run around like a headless chicken & fall over. It hurts, you get up & hopefully think a little more next time before you do it.
Not quite the same on the Tube, and time for adults to take the responsibility, not the poor T/op or platform staff.Having just been on holiday and seen the way some families conduct themselves in public, actually I'd be quite happy for kids to be kept indoors until they reach adulthood! On a preserved railway, kids climbing all over the seats and luggage racks, throwing food at each other (and others), deliberately kicking and punching the inside of the carriage - as well as, it goes without saying, shouting and screaming. The worst part of it is that the adults carry on as if this behaviour is somehow normal. When *they* get fed up with the mayhem their kids are making, the response is to start shouting at them, adding to the noise, but not making any difference as evidently the kids have no respect for them. Meanwhile, also on the same preserved railway, a family oblivious to the fact that the last train is departing, despite the timetable being clearly available, and numerous announcements having been made. Just as the train departs, the entire family complete with kids make a run for the train and attempt to open a slam door whilst the train is leaving the platform. Sadly, like everywhere in life, it's the minority who stand out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 2:07:05 GMT
What about the recess parents that up/go down the escalators with a buggy with child on board with 2 front wheels on a step and the back ones overhanging, unbelievably stupidity! perfectly safe if you apply the brakes and stand below the buggy, holding on to it. Or are you suggesting that all parents should stay at home until their children are old enough to travel independently? From section 13.2.1 of the Conditions of Carriage Unfolded buggies and cycles may not be taken on moving escalators or anywhere on the Victoria line or the Waterloo & City line. www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/conditions-of-carriage.pdfThe last time I pushed a buggy the brakes were on the back wheels so in the example xercesforbes gave they'd have no effect but regardless of that it is a breach of the conditions of using the Tube.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2014 7:08:25 GMT
Unfortunately, due to a lack of enforcement, the conditions of carriage are, for the most part, useless. I doubt that most people are even aware of their existence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 7:38:30 GMT
Unfortunately, due to a lack of enforcement, the conditions of carriage are, for the most part, useless. I doubt that most people are even aware of their existence. I am afraid we have a glaring example on our roads, pavements , etc everyday where a section of the community has had larges sums of money thrown at it to make life safer form and are aware of the rules biut appear to lose the ability to read , break all the rules and abuse anyone who gets in there way or challenges hem! Society has changed form community to me, me , me with no responsibility taken for a persons action but instead blame someone else. The best example of this is the Highway Code rule about not going on the inside of a lorry on a bike. Now if the Lycra loony does this it's is always the lorry drivers fault yet again blame someone else for your stupidity!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 7:53:06 GMT
Unfortunately, due to a lack of enforcement, the conditions of carriage are, for the most part, useless. I doubt that most people are even aware of their existence. Most station staff don't know about the Conditions of Carriage or the Railway By Laws, I certainly wasn't familiar with them when I started out as an SA at Paddington in late 1997, it was only when I started asking questions that I discovered them.
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Post by phillw48 on Aug 18, 2014 8:53:12 GMT
My local shopping centre is on three levels connected by stairs lifts and escalators. The escalators have clear signage that buggies must not be taken on them. This is for the most part ignored despite some of the escalators being alongside a lift.
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Post by bassmike on Aug 18, 2014 10:17:17 GMT
The average level of intelligence of the average members of the pubic is so low nowadays (and gettiong lower in each generation) that one despairs of any sensible behaviour patterns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:31:05 GMT
The average level of intelligence of the average members of the pubic is so low nowadays (and gettiong lower in each generation) that one despairs of any sensible behaviour patterns. Shut it now! Don' know what you meanLOL
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Post by bassmike on Aug 18, 2014 16:12:30 GMT
Heh Heh Heh!!
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Post by stuartroy on Aug 18, 2014 18:41:03 GMT
Since the tone of this thread is descending, and it may well soon be locked if it doesn't get back on topic, I will seize the opportunity to comment that I keep reading the title as "Goodge Street Boogie" and waiting for Glen Miller to take the stand.
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Post by messiah on Aug 23, 2014 7:48:18 GMT
My local shopping centre is on three levels connected by stairs lifts and escalators. The escalators have clear signage that buggies must not be taken on them. This is for the most part ignored despite some of the escalators being alongside a lift. Most likely as it is much quicker to use an escalator and the perceived level of risk (rightly or wrongly) is acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 8:14:23 GMT
My local shopping centre is on three levels connected by stairs lifts and escalators. The escalators have clear signage that buggies must not be taken on them. This is for the most part ignored despite some of the escalators being alongside a lift. Most likely as it is much quicker to use an escalator and the perceived level of risk (rightly or wrongly) is acceptable. More likely selfishness! What a dichotomy we have in this country Heath & Safety everywhere you look stopping or making it difficult to hold events with very low risk, MK1 coaches on Charter Trains come to mind where barrier coaches have to be used just in case of an incident. Then on one hand they ignore anything to do with cyclists, parents with pushchairs so that can act without any form of sanction or redress and put themselves, there children and members of the public at risk . XF
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