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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 15:56:20 GMT
The Class 710/1s and /2s are all 4-car units. Unlike the 378 Electrostar (TfL call them Capitalstar) the 710 Aventra can be lengthened in theory up to 12-cars. The 378s are limited to 5-car and of course the Electrostar is no longer in production. The 710/3s just ordered will be in 5-car formations for the NLL. The 710s for the GOB and DC are only required as 4-car at present although DC could be run as 5-car (or even 6) without any infrastructure work. GOB would require infrastructure alterations to go to 5-car. NLL is similarly limited to 5-car without alterations being required at some stations and depots. Ditto for ELL north of NXG. West Anglia can take 8-car and the 710s will couple up for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:07:41 GMT
The Class 710/1s and /2s are all 4-car units. Unlike the 378 Electrostar (TfL call them Capitalstar) the 710 Aventra can be lengthened in theory up to 12-cars. The 378s are limited to 5-car and of course the Electrostar is no longer in production. The 710/3s just ordered will be in 5-car formations for the NLL. The 710s for the GOB and DC are only required as 4-car at present although DC could be run as 5-car (or even 6) without any infrastructure work. GOB would require infrastructure alterations to go to 5-car. NLL is similarly limited to 5-car without alterations being required at some stations and depots. Ditto for ELL north of NXG. West Anglia can take 8-car and the 710s will couple up for that. Wouldn't a 6 car 710 be even longer than a full length 72stock since 72 stock carriages are so short. Im sure people would love that. Surely if it's possible, it makes sense to run all stations north of Queens park with the 'longer train' (being a long formation 710) as running with a mix of longer 710s and shorter 72s just decreases capacity. Just like how Thameslink didn't think it would be best to brainstorm for a little longer and come to the conclusion that there are alternate possibilities for all trains through the core to be 12 car. But that might be better saved for another thread |
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Post by Deep Level on Jun 14, 2018 16:44:40 GMT
The Class 710/1s and /2s are all 4-car units. Unlike the 378 Electrostar (TfL call them Capitalstar) the 710 Aventra can be lengthened in theory up to 12-cars. The 378s are limited to 5-car and of course the Electrostar is no longer in production. The 710/3s just ordered will be in 5-car formations for the NLL. The 710s for the GOB and DC are only required as 4-car at present although DC could be run as 5-car (or even 6) without any infrastructure work. GOB would require infrastructure alterations to go to 5-car. NLL is similarly limited to 5-car without alterations being required at some stations and depots. Ditto for ELL north of NXG. West Anglia can take 8-car and the 710s will couple up for that. Aren't these trains walk-through? Seems odd to couple two walk-through units. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 14, 2018 16:50:56 GMT
. Just like how Thameslink didn't think it would be best to brainstorm for a little longer and come to the conclusion that there are alternate possibilities for all trains through the core to be 12 car. Politics got in the way. An all 12-car core ceased to be an option when the minister at the time insisted that Wimbledon Loop trains had to go through the core. (His constituents apparently preferring 2tph through the core to a self contained 4tph to the City) |
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 17:51:33 GMT
The Class 710/1s and /2s are all 4-car units. Unlike the 378 Electrostar (TfL call them Capitalstar) the 710 Aventra can be lengthened in theory up to 12-cars. The 378s are limited to 5-car and of course the Electrostar is no longer in production. The 710/3s just ordered will be in 5-car formations for the NLL. The 710s for the GOB and DC are only required as 4-car at present although DC could be run as 5-car (or even 6) without any infrastructure work. GOB would require infrastructure alterations to go to 5-car. NLL is similarly limited to 5-car without alterations being required at some stations and depots. Ditto for ELL north of NXG. West Anglia can take 8-car and the 710s will couple up for that. Wouldn't a 6 car 710 be even longer than a full length 72stock since 72 stock carriages are so short. Im sure people would love that. Surely if it's possible, it makes sense to run all stations north of Queens park with the 'longer train' (being a long formation 710) as running with a mix of longer 710s and shorter 72s just decreases capacity. Just like how Thameslink didn't think it would be best to brainstorm for a little longer and come to the conclusion that there are alternate possibilities for all trains through the core to be 12 car. But that might be better saved for another thread 6-car 1972 stock is 96m long and a 5-car 710 would be 100m, so current 4-car 710s would be 80m. |
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 17:52:47 GMT
The Class 710/1s and /2s are all 4-car units. Unlike the 378 Electrostar (TfL call them Capitalstar) the 710 Aventra can be lengthened in theory up to 12-cars. The 378s are limited to 5-car and of course the Electrostar is no longer in production. The 710/3s just ordered will be in 5-car formations for the NLL. The 710s for the GOB and DC are only required as 4-car at present although DC could be run as 5-car (or even 6) without any infrastructure work. GOB would require infrastructure alterations to go to 5-car. NLL is similarly limited to 5-car without alterations being required at some stations and depots. Ditto for ELL north of NXG. West Anglia can take 8-car and the 710s will couple up for that. Aren't these trains walk-through? Seems odd to couple two walk-through units. TfL made the decision that all the AC only West Anglia units should be 4-car and not 8-car. |
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Post by jukes on Jun 14, 2018 17:56:08 GMT
. Just like how Thameslink didn't think it would be best to brainstorm for a little longer and come to the conclusion that there are alternate possibilities for all trains through the core to be 12 car. Politics got in the way. An all 12-car core ceased to be an option when the minister at the time insisted that Wimbledon Loop trains had to go through the core. (His constituents apparently preferring 2tph through the core to a self contained 4tph to the City) Let us not forget that ALL decisions about TL services including service pattern, timetables and the bizarre (one-size fits all paired-down) specification of the 700s was entirely in the hands of the DfT. TOCs (FCC at the time and now GTR) had no say in it whatsoever! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 14, 2018 21:43:14 GMT
Seems odd to couple two walk-through units. The 707s on SWR usually work as pairs of 5-car walkthrough units |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 23:14:13 GMT
Seems odd to couple two walk-through units. The 707s on SWR usually work as pairs of 5-car walkthrough units And I always do observe people run into the closest door at Waterloo and proceed to walk down 5 carriages and come to a halt and rather that hopping off and on to join the front 5 carrieges at vauxhall, they instead take to twitter to complain about the railways "incompetence" as they sit on their shiny, air conditioned brand new train. I understand the railways, or most likely, the DfT, don't always make the right decisions but people make it out as if they're trying to run a bad service. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 20, 2018 10:35:20 GMT
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Post by stapler on Jun 20, 2018 13:56:16 GMT
Are the seats as uncomfortable as they look?
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 20, 2018 14:53:47 GMT
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Post by stapler on Jun 20, 2018 16:36:18 GMT
I don't much care what they look like, just the posterior challenge
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Post by londonstuff on Jun 20, 2018 16:47:05 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jun 20, 2018 16:54:29 GMT
Mr Marshall has also produced a video from the launch this morning.
Interesting that Mr Fox of TfL makes mention at the end that TfL are "thinking about" possibly some earlier or later trains on the GOBLIN once the electric service has bedded in.
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Post by domh245 on Jun 20, 2018 17:25:01 GMT
TFT screens? I bet that'll allow them to charge a pretty penny to prospective advertisers!
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Post by Deep Level on Jun 20, 2018 17:45:17 GMT
Why don't the 345s have tft screens and open buttons on the inside of the doors?
Its a shame that they haven't put tft screens above the doors to show a live line diagram.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 20, 2018 18:59:48 GMT
TFT screens? I bet that'll allow them to charge a pretty penny to prospective advertisers! I expect that will be an interesting experiment given advertising spend is in the doldrums at the moment. TfL said as much to the London Assembly Budget Sub Cttee last week. I suspect TfL will end up advertising its own initiatives until the economy recovers but yes the potential to target advertising by location and time of day will be interesting. I look forward to "pie and mash" adverts on the Chingford Line.  |
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Post by domh245 on Jun 20, 2018 20:25:45 GMT
TFT screens? I bet that'll allow them to charge a pretty penny to prospective advertisers! I expect that will be an interesting experiment given advertising spend is in the doldrums at the moment. TfL said as much to the London Assembly Budget Sub Cttee last week. I suspect TfL will end up advertising its own initiatives until the economy recovers but yes the potential to target advertising by location and time of day will be interesting. I look forward to "pie and mash" adverts on the Chingford Line. Hadn't realised that advertising was a bit slow at the moment. Will be fun to see how the time targeted advertising plays out - deodorant adverts in the rush hours and then adverts for Werthers originals and the national trust in the off peak?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 21:43:28 GMT
One thing I did notice from the video was the added button in the middle, Im glad this has been added because as soon as the 345s came out, I noticed how wide the doors are how difficult it was to reach the buttons from the centre of the door.
I wonder if any features such as extra buttons, USB ports and screens will be retrofitted onto the 345s
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 21, 2018 6:58:35 GMT
That would probably be a good idea for T fL to do - especially if they're going to be on a train for ~50mins (if the train runs on time ) It may also be helpful for those travelling from Reading to Shenfield, a journey time of 103mins including transfer at Whitechapel.  I had a ride on the 345s a few weeks ago, and there are practically no ads. It's all just T fL showcasing their ideas and all the improvements they're making. Although there is a (what I think is) an NSE era station sign at Goodmayes above the little shop. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 17:03:46 GMT
I think it's because TFL are doing that whole "big 6 advertiser's" for the Elizabeth line launch so they want to reserve the proper advert spaces for those 6. The 710s will likely have adverts straight away, I find it funny that TFL can now have digital screens displaying adverts but from what's been said, the 710s will still rely on standard paper route maps
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 20:08:56 GMT
I think it's because TFL are doing that whole "big 6 advertiser's" for the Elizabeth line launch so they want to reserve the proper advert spaces for those 6. The 710s will likely have adverts straight away, I find it funny that TFL can now have digital screens displaying adverts but from what's been said, the 710s will still rely on standard paper route maps But how often does the map actually change? Unless you were to have live 'you are here' its not worth using screens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 20:36:34 GMT
for a tube line, Although someone new to the line may take a second to find where they are, it's relatively simple as in all cases (except S7) only one line/ route is shown but since TFL remain stubborn in naming different overground routes by different names, people will have to try and find their correct route on a vast network map showing the ever-expanding overground network or have to shuffle through all the different single route diagrams until they find the route theyre on.
Hope you get where im coming from, I could've worded that far better.
And "you are here" would be helpful to many but I agree is not necessary.
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Post by domh245 on Jun 21, 2018 21:30:21 GMT
Or to put it a simpler way, rather than showing the entire London Overground dropped plate of spaghetti map, they could just show the line that they are operating, eg Gospel Oak - Barking or Liverpool Street - Cheshunt. If you do that however there is little additional technical challenge in making it just show the stops that it is yet to make on the route, a bit like the PIS systems on the 345 does, but for the whole line, not just the next few stops and destination, or a "you are here" marker
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 21:30:14 GMT
for a tube line, Although someone new to the line may take a second to find where they are, it's relatively simple as in all cases (except S7) only one line/ route is shown but since TFL remain stubborn in naming different overground routes by different names, people will have to try and find their correct route on a vast network map showing the ever-expanding overground network or have to shuffle through all the different single route diagrams until they find the route theyre on. Hope you get where im coming from, I could've worded that far better. And "you are here" would be helpful to many but I agree is not necessary. Completely over looked that. I totally agree, with such a large network, its hard to find your location for someone used to the line. Would hate to be a tourist. |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 17, 2018 23:07:24 GMT
There are reports on two other forums that two class 710s have now reached Willesden depot. No confirmation yet as to whether the 710s have type approval or when they may appear on driver training duties.
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Post by jukes on Jul 18, 2018 15:53:17 GMT
NR has not yet granted type approval. Problem had been the TCS.
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Post by Dom K on Jul 18, 2018 17:17:19 GMT
NR has not yet granted type approval. Problem had been the TCS. TCS? |
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