Possible Strike

[class411]

Aug 3, 2021 9:36:31 GMT aslefshrugged said:

Why strike over a Night Tube deal that no one really cares about when there's an issue that potentially will have all four unions on strike

First they came for the night tube workers but I didn't care because I wasn't a night tube worker ...

[aslefshrugged]

Aug 3, 2021 11:05:03 GMT class411 said:

Aug 3, 2021 9:36:31 GMT aslefshrugged said:

Why strike over a Night Tube deal that no one really cares about when there's an issue that potentially will have all four unions on strike

First they came for the night tube workers but I didn't care because I wasn't a night tube worker ...

Most of the Night Tube workers aren't Night Tube workers any more, they have came over to the Dark Side (we have cookies)

[Chris M]

Aug 3, 2021 11:05:03 GMT class411 said:

Aug 3, 2021 9:36:31 GMT aslefshrugged said:

Why strike over a Night Tube deal that no one really cares about when there's an issue that potentially will have all four unions on strike

First they came for the night tube workers but I didn't care because I wasn't a night tube worker ...

Most of the (former) night tube workers want the deal - it's literally only the RMT that don't, and as far as I understand their concerns they mainly relate to (a) payments for platform staff and (b) the possibility of drivers who are not night tube staff having to do night shifts.

[class411]

Aug 4, 2021 10:09:52 GMT Chris M said:

Aug 3, 2021 11:05:03 GMT class411 said:

First they came for the night tube workers but I didn't care because I wasn't a night tube worker ...

Most of the (former) night tube workers want the deal - it's literally only the RMT that don't, and as far as I understand their concerns they mainly relate to (a) payments for platform staff and (b) the possibility of drivers who are not night tube staff having to do night shifts.

OK: First they came for the platform staff's payments, then they came for the drivers that might have to do night duty ...

It's a shame that a tongue in cheek quip has to be analysed, corrected, and, no doubt, analysed again.

And in case anyone needs it pointed out to them, the bit in yellow is also very much tongue in cheek.

[aslefshrugged]

From John Leach's last video RMT's three issues were...

- Night Tube shifts cannot be compulsory

- 200 jobs cannot be cut

- work/life balance cannot be made worse

Firstly there's no way management will agree that Night Tube should be voluntary and ASLEF have already agreed that they should be part of the full time roster.

Secondly as Night Tube shifts will be included in the full time roster the 200 Night Tube part time positions are no longer necessary. When the new timetable is introduced in November there will undoubtedly be an increase in the number of positions on the rosters, maybe not 200 but when you add in the required increase of pools drivers it will probably be close to it. None of the Night Tube part timers (TO23) have been made redundant, the majority have switched to full time contracts (TO21) and the few that wish to carry on working Night Tube shifts can do so.

Thirdly ASLEF have confirmed that Night Tube shifts will only come around once every 12-13 weeks, they will be spread over all depots (on the Central West Ruislip and Loughton don't have Night Tube) and drivers won't work more weekends than they currently do

[aslefshrugged]

The word going around the mess rooms is that RMT have quietly called of next week's strike, so quietly that TfL are still warning that it might go ahead

[aslefshrugged]

Just goes to prove you shouldn't believe everything you hear in the mess room, latest news is that RMT are back at ACAS.

The new rumour via WhatsApp is that the reps are split 11 - 8 between those who want the strike called off and those who want the strike to go ahead but it will be the Executive Committee that will ultimately decide if the strike goes ahead.

[Dstock7080]

London Underground: Union calls off two strikes

Two strikes on the London Underground have been called off following talks between transport bosses and a union.
Drivers from the Rail, Maritime and Transport workers union (RMT) were due to walk out for 24-hours on Tuesday and Thursday in a dispute over night tube rotas.
The RMT said the action had been suspended "following further progress" but said there was still some dispute.
Further discussions are due to be held, the union said.

RMT‎ suspends next weeks Tube strike

20 August 2021
RMT Press Office:
Tube Union RMT said today that it has suspended strike action by drivers scheduled for next week in the Night Tube dispute after further progress in ACAS talks today.
General Secretary Mick Lynch said;
"Following further progress in ACAS talks today our Executive has decided that there are sufficient grounds to suspend next week's tube strike action.
"We remain in dispute and will be engaging in further discussions with a view to reaching a settlement.
"I want to thank our reps and our members on London's Underground whose hard work, resolve and unity has been decisive in terms of the progress we have been able ‎to achieve so far."

After meeting with RMT at ACAS again today, they’ve decided to suspend their network-wide action.
This is good news for the organisation and for London.
While this is a positive step forward, I want to be clear that our position on grade consolidation has not changed.
We’re committed to this change and these talks have allowed us to outline our position and the benefits of grade consolidation. As part of these talks, we confirmed with RMT that we’ll continue reviewing weekend working and restart looking at further part-time train operator work across the network.

LU Director of Customer Operations

[rheostar]

Aug 19, 2021 10:42:50 GMT aslefshrugged said:

The word going around the mess rooms is that RMT have quietly called of next week's strike, so quietly that TfL are still warning that it might go ahead

You were right, the strike’s been called off.

[aslefshrugged]

Not me, I was just relaying what was being said around the mess room by my colleagues

[aslefshrugged]

RMT's announcement on why they called off the strike

www.rmtlondoncalling.org.uk/files/rmt_upfront_august_2021.pdf

I noticed this

Our team then proposed an opt out system. The core principles of this system are that LUL would keep a list of Night Tube volunteer operators in each depot who are willing to work as many Night Tube shifts as practical.

This has happened already, back in May we were asked to select one of four options;

1. I do not wish to do any of these night duty shifts on Friday or Saturday.
2. I’m happy to do my own rostered ones when they come around.
3. I don’t mind doing them occasionally (like one set every few weeks).
4. I’ll do as many as I can get.

[rincew1nd]

Is this not something which could be left to the various 'Mafia'?

[hobbayne]

Aug 23, 2021 12:44:05 GMT aslefshrugged said:

RMT's announcement on why they called off the strike

www.rmtlondoncalling.org.uk/files/rmt_upfront_august_2021.pdf

I noticed this

Our team then proposed an opt out system. The core principles of this system are that LUL would keep a list of Night Tube volunteer operators in each depot who are willing to work as many Night Tube shifts as practical.

This has happened already, back in May we were asked to select one of four options;

1. I do not wish to do any of these night duty shifts on Friday or Saturday.
2. I’m happy to do my own rostered ones when they come around.
3. I don’t mind doing them occasionally (like one set every few weeks).
4. I’ll do as many as I can get.

We never had this at our depot.

[aslefshrugged]

Maybe the managers at my depot are more proactive than others.

[hobbayne]

The RMT has called a strike for this coming weekend. Does anyone know whether this will affect Friday's day service or just the running
down in the evening?

[Tubeboy]

2030 to 0430.

[Dstock7080]

Nov 22, 2021 22:18:56 GMT hobbayne said:

The RMT has called a strike for this coming weekend. Does anyone know whether this will affect Friday's day service or just the running
down in the evening?

The RMT action prevents booking-on from 0430 on Friday 26-0429 on Saturday 27 on Central Jubilee Northern Piccadilly and Victoria Lines

[hobbayne]

Nov 22, 2021 22:29:16 GMT Dstock7080 said:

Nov 22, 2021 22:18:56 GMT hobbayne said:

The RMT has called a strike for this coming weekend. Does anyone know whether this will affect Friday's day service or just the running
down in the evening?

The RMT action prevents booking-on from 0430 on Friday 26-0429 on Saturday 27 on Central Jubilee Northern Piccadilly and Victoria Lines

Crikey, that could cripple the Friday day service!

[philthetube]

I would be very surprised if these strikes have much effect, RMT ones don't often.

[class411]

Nov 23, 2021 8:23:31 GMT philthetube said:

I would be very surprised if these strikes have much effect, RMT ones don't often.

TFL don't seem bothered at the moment. I usually get an update if they expect a strike to cause disruption.

[Dstock7080]

Nov 23, 2021 8:52:38 GMT class411 said:

TFL don't seem bothered at the moment. I usually get an update if they expect a strike to cause disruption.

Internally they’re telling Staff:

this means services would be severely disrupted on the Central Jubilee Northern Piccadilly and Victoria lines on Friday 26 November. The strike will cause severe disruption across the Tube network with significantly reduced services at some times and will not run at all for others.

[class411]

Nov 23, 2021 9:10:56 GMT Dstock7080 said:

Nov 23, 2021 8:52:38 GMT class411 said:

TFL don't seem bothered at the moment. I usually get an update if they expect a strike to cause disruption.

Internally they’re telling Staff:

this means services would be severely disrupted on the Central Jubilee Northern Piccadilly and Victoria lines on Friday 26 November. The strike will cause severe disruption across the Tube network with significantly reduced services at some times and will not run at all for others.

Yes, 'would', if the strike goes ahead!

From my experience of posts here, most strikes that are called get called off.

So the fact that TFL haven't made any announcements could be taken to indicate that they doubt the strike will go ahead, or it could be normal TFL incompetence.

[Chris M]

I don't think incompetence is a fair description here. Even if it was certain to go ahead, I wouldn't expect communication from TfL about it until about today or tomorrow.

[class411]

Nov 23, 2021 11:51:42 GMT Chris M said:

I don't think incompetence is a fair description here.

Well, opinions will vary.

I expect that anyone who has made arrangements that require the use of affected lines that are not easily rearranged will disagree.

But as I said, it seems that most of the strikes mooted here get called off before they occur so I suppose it's a bit of a balancing act for them.

[howda62]

Not sure how wide the target audience was, but I did get an email update from TfL yesterday warning of the strikes yesterday:

Industrial action is planned by the RMT union on the Central, Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria lines all day on Friday 26 November and Saturday 18 December.



If the RMT goes ahead with its action, it could mean a significantly reduced service on these lines all day with little or no service in places. It is also likely to mean much busier services on the Tube lines that are not affected by the strike (Bakerloo, Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan) as customers seek alternative routes. Thameslink services and buses through central London are also expected to be busier than normal.

The email also mentioned the Saturday night strikes for the Central & Victoria planned for the next 4 weeks:

TfL is warning customers that both lines are expected to be severely disrupted from 19:00 onwards, with little or no service from this time overnight on 27-28 November, 3-5 December, 10-12 December and 17-18 December.

[class411]

Nov 23, 2021 18:15:21 GMT howda62 said:

Not sure how wide the target audience was, but I did get an email update from TfL yesterday warning of the strikes yesterday

YOU were lucky!

[cudsn15]

There was a poster up at the entrance to Seven Sisters today - same wording as the e-mail above.

[Tom]

Nov 23, 2021 12:45:33 GMT class411 said:

Nov 23, 2021 11:51:42 GMT Chris M said:

I don't think incompetence is a fair description here.

Well, opinions will vary.

In light of a few posts in this thread may I remind memmbers that the forum is discussion of London Underground (and other related) topics, and it's not intended to be a place for what might be termed 'commuter moans'. If you wish to make the suggestion that TfL are lacking in competence, then perhaps the Evening Standard's letters page might be a more suitable place to do so.

[Dstock7080]

London Transport union RMT announces strike action as LU refuses to give assurances on jobs, pensions and working conditions

London Transport union RMT announces strike action as LU refuses to give assurances on jobs, pensions and working conditions.
RMT confirmed that members will be taking strike action next month over LU’s continuing refusal to give assurances on jobs, pensions and working conditions in the midst of an on-going financial crisis driven by central Government

The announcement comes in the wake of a recent ballot of over ten thousand members across all grades of LU staff with 94% of members voted to strike.

The action will be taking place as follows:
All LUL members are instructed to refuse to book on for any duty that commences between 00:01 on Tuesday 1st March 2022 and 23:59 on Tuesday 1st March 2022.
All LUL members are instructed to refuse to book on for any duty that commences between 00:01 on Thursday 3rd March 2022 and 23:59 on Thursday 3rd March 2022.

This is in addition to the ongoing Night Tube dispute on Central and Victoria Lines.

[nig]

If your on Vic or central there is potential for someone to loose 4 days pay if there were due to work night tube as well