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Post by PiccNT on Feb 4, 2022 17:45:07 GMT
"The announcement comes in the wake of a recent ballot of over ten thousand members across all grades of LU staff with 94% of members voted to strike."That could be a little misleading. It was 94% of those members that voted, a little over 50% voted with fewer than 50% of total eligible voting to strike: Number of individuals who were entitled to vote in the ballot: 10,084 Number of votes cast in the ballot: 5,219 Number of individuals answering “Yes” to the question: 4,900 Number of individuals answering “No” to the question: 307 Number of spoiled or otherwise invalid voting papers returned: 12 Source: www.rmt.org.uk/about/ballot-results/lul-defend-jobs-pensions-and-agreements100122/?preview=true
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Post by Colin on Feb 4, 2022 18:15:09 GMT
A classic example of not letting the facts get in the way of the headline!
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Post by johnlinford on Feb 4, 2022 23:00:35 GMT
I am curious what the RMT proposes TFL do to provide such a guarantee when they are facing such uncertainty post COVID and when TFL is running out of money without DfT funding. Maybe they should all retrain for running the Woolwich ferry...
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Post by Chris M on Feb 5, 2022 0:49:54 GMT
I am curious what the RMT proposes TFL do to provide such a guarantee when they are facing such uncertainty post COVID and when TFL is running out of money without DfT funding. TfL cannot, at least currently, meet the RMT's demands (as in it is not within their power to do so). Maybe they should all retrain for running the Woolwich ferry... The Woolwich Ferry is one of the very few things that TfL are legally obliged to run! (Although it is currently suspended due to strike action every Monday, Wednesday and Friday (this action is being taken by Unite, not the RMT, and is unrelated to the dispute on the Tube). |
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Post by johnlinford on Feb 5, 2022 8:20:40 GMT
Maybe they should all retrain for running the Woolwich ferry... Indeed, one of my favourite bits of TfL trivia - and may be the only service left without suitable arrangements with the DFT. Striking to attain something that cannot possibly be guaranteed seems somewhat... arrogant? You may as well strike until gravity stops or the speed of light changes. |
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Post by brigham on Feb 5, 2022 8:59:28 GMT
"The announcement comes in the wake of a recent ballot of over ten thousand members across all grades of LU staff with 94% of members voted to strike."
Sounds like a good time to extend the free money...
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Post by hobbayne on Feb 5, 2022 10:54:26 GMT
ASLEF have not announced any strike dates as yet. They are waiting for the proverbial axe to fall. Maybe the RMT are being a bit premature with this.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 5, 2022 14:33:08 GMT
ASLEF haven't announced a strike because they don't need to, none of the positions being cut are on the train-side.
When management proposed some changes to our T&Cs ASLEF told them they were completely unacceptable and if management tried to impose changes without agreement we'd go on strike. Management abandoned their changes and its been quiet ever since.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 24, 2022 10:18:05 GMT
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Post by sammyj on Mar 1, 2022 15:03:32 GMT
Forgive me if this is an obvious question, when I looked at the status board earlier (I will use the Piccadilly Line for reference) there was no service on the entire line then an hour later there is an Acton-Hounslow service and various other lines are also changing from suspended to a reduced service.
what affects a decision to have the whole line suspended then a small shuttle during strike action (I don't work on the railway, its more just for context)
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Post by johnlinford on Mar 1, 2022 15:54:22 GMT
While I don't work on the railways, my understanding is as follows:
- Many more staff are needed to keep the underground stations in the center of town open due to safety regulations, there are fewer safety critical staff roles in the open air stations so it is more practical to open these - many can operate unmanned or with staff overseeing a handful of stations.
- The depots tend to be out towards the end of the lines so with reduced driving staff doing short shuttles can still comply with TfL's obligations to staff about breaks & welfare facilities.
- Once you're in zone 1 in particular there are many alternatives to get around including walking and cycling and a good mesh of bus routes; the outer ends of the lines (eg getting you in to Liverpool Street or White City on the Central) are much more crucial links for people.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 1, 2022 22:12:00 GMT
Forgive me if this is an obvious question, when I looked at the status board earlier (I will use the Piccadilly Line for reference) there was no service on the entire line then an hour later there is an Acton-Hounslow service and various other lines are also changing from suspended to a reduced service. what affects a decision to have the whole line suspended then a small shuttle during strike action (I don't work on the railway, its more just for context) Several factors As far as stations are concerned its whether the stations are subject to the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) (England) Regulations 2009, otherwise known as "Section 12s". These regs replaced the Fire Precautions (Sub-surface Railway Stations) Regulations 1989 that implemented the recommendations of the Fennel Report into the King's Cross Fire, one of which was a minimum staffing level that varies depending on the size, complexity and number of passengers at a given time. A relatively simple Section 12 station like Temple or Bow Road has a minimum of 2 staff, one of which must hold a Customer Service Manager licence while Kings Cross can vary between 15 and 19 depending on time of day/week. As far as trains are concerned it could be down to how many depot staff have been available to certify that trains are available for service, how many train operators are available to drive the trains or how many control room staff are available to oversee operations on the line Tonight on the Central Line we had to close down at 7pm because while we had plenty of drivers available Wood Lane control room did not have enough staff to run the service |
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Post by lukeo on Mar 1, 2022 23:38:28 GMT
One thing that confused me with the strike today was Harrow & Wealdstone station. London Northwestern services were still stopping there, but London Overground was not? There were even people waiting on the platform as my LO train passed through!
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Post by A60stock on Mar 2, 2022 0:29:30 GMT
Travelled on the Watford DC service going towards Euston today from Hatch End. Was taken by surprise to find out that the after Headstone Lane, the service went straight to Willesden Junction, then Kilburn High Road and to Euston as usual, basically skipping all Bakerloo line shared stops.
For starters this is ridiculous that trains do not stop at Harrow and Wealdstone, so you are in the odd situation where you can't alight for the faster LNWR services to Euston despite the fact these trains could stop there, but LO could not?! If LNWR services are able to call there, there is no reason by LO trains cannot.....
Secondly, the information was poor as TFL did not state there would be service changes to the Watford DC during the strike. Many passengers were baffled as to what to do/what was going on.
Lastly, its very strange that LO cannot call at any of the Bakerloo line stops, but why is Willesden Junction is the exception to this?
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Post by Chris L on Mar 2, 2022 2:59:13 GMT
Trains can't stop at stations where there are no staff.
The stations are staffed by London Underground.
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Post by cobolot5 on Mar 2, 2022 3:12:34 GMT
During the strike yesterday I had to use the epping branch several times to meet clients. All trains were coded between leytonstone and woodford because snaresbrook and South woodford were shut. Firstly, why where these stations shut, I thought they would be able to stay open without staff? Upon my final journey east from leytonstone the driver was relieved and the new driver departed in auto. Snaresbrook was skipped ok, but then the train pulled up in a heap before south woodford with the EB alarm going then continued coded. I thought that ATO could handle two shut stations in a row, or is it just the one? Trains were also skipping leyton and all seemed to be in coded. Surely this could have been skipped in auto? Or is it because the brake rate changes for stratford and therefore can't be skipped? Cheers an interested passenger
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Post by Chris M on Mar 2, 2022 10:58:31 GMT
Lastly, its very strange that LO cannot call at any of the Bakerloo line stops, but why is Willesden Junction is the exception to this? Trains can't stop at stations where there are no staff. The stations are staffed by London Underground. Willesden Junction is an exception because it's managed and staffed by London Overground. |
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Post by towerman on Mar 2, 2022 13:12:12 GMT
Had to attend a family funeral yesterday at Manor Park Crematorium travelling from Wellingborough.Driven to Bedford by son in law,train to St Pancras,Javelin train to Stratford International then bus to Manor Park.Took around 3 hours which wasn’t bad.Worst part of the day was on the return to St Pancras from Bow,took an Uber,took best part of an hour.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 3, 2022 16:30:55 GMT
During the strike yesterday I had to use the epping branch several times to meet clients. All trains were coded between leytonstone and woodford because snaresbrook and South woodford were shut. Firstly, why where these stations shut, I thought they would be able to stay open without staff? Upon my final journey east from leytonstone the driver was relieved and the new driver departed in auto. Snaresbrook was skipped ok, but then the train pulled up in a heap before south woodford with the EB alarm going then continued coded. I thought that ATO could handle two shut stations in a row, or is it just the one? Trains were also skipping leyton and all seemed to be in coded. Surely this could have been skipped in auto? Or is it because the brake rate changes for stratford and therefore can't be skipped? Cheers an interested passenger Apparently management have taken the decision that unstaffed stations should be shut rather than left open which is rather odd as they are left open and unstaffed when there isn't a strike. Almost as if management want to make the strike as inconvenient for passengers as possible... ATO can only skip one station so we go Coded if two consecutive stations are closed. We've got a lot of new drivers, obviously the driver you mentioned either forgot or was unaware of this, realised that the train wasn't slowing down to go through the platform and activated the emergency brake. I went through Leyton both directions in ATO on Tuesday. The only station I know you can't skip in ATO is Mile End EB precisely because of the brake rate change so we have to go Coded from Bethnal Green. It might be the same with Shepherds Bush WB but I can't remember having station skip there in the last 19 years. |
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Post by revupminster on Mar 3, 2022 16:58:57 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 3, 2022 17:10:59 GMT
Eddie Dempsey was Great Western Railway station staff at Paddington mainline, elected secretary of Paddington No.1 Branch in 2010, elected to the National Executive Committee in 2016 and elected Assistant General Secretary in October last year.
Fast worker...
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Post by revupminster on Mar 3, 2022 17:17:23 GMT
Eddie Dempsey was Great Western Railway station staff at Paddington mainline, elected secretary of Paddington No.1 Branch in 2010, elected to the National Executive Committee in 2016 and elected Assistant General Secretary in October last year. Fast worker... 2010-2022 sounds more like a sleeper than fast worker? |
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Post by Tom on Mar 3, 2022 21:31:58 GMT
I think it's more a case of throwing a lot of mud in the hope that some of it sticks. Any further posts along this line will be considered 'Political' and in breach of rule 3(a). Let's keep this discussion on the strike itself rather than the politics of the RMT's leadership. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 3, 2022 21:49:58 GMT
Trains had to be stabled by 7pm tonight because the power supply control room staff had to book off. Guessing they started at 7am, did a maximum 12 hour shift then needed the required 12 hour rest period between booking off and booking on again tomorrow morning. Most of the power supply people are Unite not RMT
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Post by hobbayne on Mar 4, 2022 10:11:33 GMT
Trains had to be stabled by 7pm tonight because the power supply control room staff had to book off. Guessing they started at 7am, did a maximum 12 hour shift then needed the required 12 hour rest period between booking off and booking on again tomorrow morning. Most of the power supply people are Unite not RMT They usually start to ramp down the service in the evening so that the trains are in the right place in the morning. I guess the strike start and finish times negated the need for the ramp down. |
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Post by cobolot5 on Mar 10, 2022 2:58:30 GMT
During the strike yesterday I had to use the epping branch several times to meet clients. All trains were coded between leytonstone and woodford because snaresbrook and South woodford were shut. Firstly, why where these stations shut, I thought they would be able to stay open without staff? Upon my final journey east from leytonstone the driver was relieved and the new driver departed in auto. Snaresbrook was skipped ok, but then the train pulled up in a heap before south woodford with the EB alarm going then continued coded. I thought that ATO could handle two shut stations in a row, or is it just the one? Trains were also skipping leyton and all seemed to be in coded. Surely this could have been skipped in auto? Or is it because the brake rate changes for stratford and therefore can't be skipped? Cheers an interested passenger Apparently management have taken the decision that unstaffed stations should be shut rather than left open which is rather odd as they are left open and unstaffed when there isn't a strike. Almost as if management want to make the strike as inconvenient for passengers as possible... ATO can only skip one station so we go Coded if two consecutive stations are closed. We've got a lot of new drivers, obviously the driver you mentioned either forgot or was unaware of this, realised that the train wasn't slowing down to go through the platform and activated the emergency brake. I went through Leyton both directions in ATO on Tuesday. The only station I know you can't skip in ATO is Mile End EB precisely because of the brake rate change so we have to go Coded from Bethnal Green. It might be the same with Shepherds Bush WB but I can't remember having station skip there in the last 19 years. Thanks for the info. I had thought it was only one station skip. But in the thread I started a while ago Tom had suggested it was two stations that could be skipped? I guess that's why the train continued because I would have thought if it ran out of map data it would emergency brake? On another note I heard from a friend a train stopped at snaresbrook and dropped of passengers at a locked station! They were there for a good half hour before someone unlocked the doors. This can't be a good situation in an emergency?! |
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Post by Chris L on Mar 12, 2022 15:17:06 GMT
I am curious what the RMT proposes TFL do to provide such a guarantee when they are facing such uncertainty post COVID and when TFL is running out of money without DfT funding. Maybe they should all retrain for running the Woolwich ferry... where there is an ongoing dispute with strike action every three days during the week. |
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Post by xtmw on Apr 14, 2022 22:20:20 GMT
Are there any updates on the night strikes? It's been a long while since they announced the strikes. Anyone know what LU are doing to attempt to come to an agreement with RMT?
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Post by Chris M on Apr 14, 2022 22:48:41 GMT
Are there any updates on the night strikes? It's been a long while since they announced the strikes. Anyone know what LU are doing to attempt to come to an agreement with RMT? As stated earlier, it is not currently possible for TfL to give the RMT the guarantees they want (because the DfT, who hold the cards, will not give TfL those assurances), and I'm not aware that the RMT have changed their demands. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Apr 15, 2022 9:16:37 GMT
Are there any updates on the night strikes? It's been a long while since they announced the strikes. Anyone know what LU are doing to attempt to come to an agreement with RMT? As stated earlier, it is not currently possible for TfL to give the RMT the guarantees they want (because the DfT, who hold the cards, will not give TfL those assurances), and I'm not aware that the RMT have changed their demands. Night Tube dispute is nothing to do with DfT. TfL brokered an agreement with ASLEF, part time TO23s would be allowed to take up full time TO21 jobs, Night Tube duties would become part of the TO21 roster and TO21s working Night Tube duties would be paid 50% extra. RMT want the TO23 grade reinstated but TfL aren't going to scrap the agreement they already have with ASLEF |
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