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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 1, 2018 18:35:37 GMT
If management still refuse to address the issues the next step is another strike, maybe coordinate it with other lines. RMT Central Line drivers are currently balloting for strike action over similar grievances management with the additional gripe over a Leytonstone driver who got sacked after a dodgy drugs and alcohol test, that closes on Tuesday 9th October so the result should be announced by the end of next week. ASLEF drivers have already voted to strike on the Central Line so you could have both unions striking together. (From Piccadilly line Industrial Action thread - MoreToJack)So anyway I've just come back from two weeks annual leave, I booked on for work around 3pm this afternoon to discover that ASLEF have called a strike on the Central Line from 00:01 until 23:59 Friday 5th October with another strike planned for Wednesday 7th November. Talks will be held tomorrow to attempt to resolve the issues but if not I guess I get to see West Ham v Brighton after all... |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 1, 2018 21:29:25 GMT
......if not I guess I get to see West Ham v Brighton after all...  |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 2, 2018 9:48:05 GMT
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Post by class411 on Oct 2, 2018 10:05:03 GMT
The enboldened section is very worrying. How are LU management getting away with this at tribunal, unless they can demonstrate 'gross misconduct'? |
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Post by drainrat on Oct 2, 2018 10:22:44 GMT
The enboldened section is very worrying. How are LU management getting away with this at tribunal, unless they can demonstrate 'gross misconduct'? Unfortunately, rather than 'aslefshrugged'.....'aslefblinked' on this one, dragged their heels, left far too late to do anything about it, then tagged it on as a secondary to the current action 😔 |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 2, 2018 13:00:04 GMT
The enboldened section is very worrying. How are LU management getting away with this at tribunal, unless they can demonstrate 'gross misconduct'? ASLEF went through the company appeals procedure before taking any further action. On average it takes six months from starting the tribunal process to getting a decision, in the meantime the person is out of work and even if they win their case LUL do not have to re-employ them. |
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Post by drainrat on Oct 2, 2018 13:27:00 GMT
The enboldened section is very worrying. How are LU management getting away with this at tribunal, unless they can demonstrate 'gross misconduct'? ASLEF went through the company appeals procedure before taking any further action. On average it takes six months from starting the tribunal process to getting a decision, in the meantime the person is out of work and even if they win their case LUL do not have to re-employ them.
Not to forget the tribunal may claim the company acted unjustly, but the company doesn't have to reinstate the employee if they don't want to
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 2, 2018 17:29:54 GMT
The latest from my ASLEF Rep, the strike is still on but they made "good progress" today and the Reps are available if management want to hold more talks before Friday.
That's if...
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 2, 2018 19:02:30 GMT
As someone who lives within walking distance of several Central Line stations all I can say is "oh dear" and "thankfully I won't need the trains this coming Friday".
Its not that I won't be going out, rather that my journey will be walkable.
I don't know if there will be any sort of replacement bus service but if there is then Thames Water works on the Cranbrook Road near the junction with Tanners Lane and Tesco will make a bad situation even worse. Two sets of closely spaced traffic signals (at least one of these is a 3 way junction!) are already creating travel chaos...
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 2, 2018 19:52:18 GMT
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Post by hobbayne on Oct 2, 2018 22:37:34 GMT
I take it that Thursday night the last trains will run as booked? - unlike the winding down of the Picc line before their strike at 1pm?
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Post by patrickb on Oct 3, 2018 4:08:09 GMT
Sadly I too will be affected by the strikes affecting three stations local to me and I really do need the Central Line Friday night.
Buses in the Woodford to Epping section are really inadequate. While some routes like the 20 are likely to receive a boost, other areas with no TfL route get left unaided or are at the mercy of the private operators.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 3, 2018 9:06:18 GMT
I take it that Thursday night the last trains will run as booked? - unlike the winding down of the Picc line before their strike at 1pm? The notice says "all duties booking on between 00:01 and 23:59 on Friday 5th October 2018" so everyone books on as normal Thursday and completes their duties, no winding down the service early as per Piccadilly Line. All except the Night Turns, they'll book on and run the last trains as usual but I expect they won't be bringing out the first trains as its unlikely there would be anyone to relieve them when they got to Leytonstone or Hainault. Saturday morning will be a mess as I guess the Night Tube drivers will also be on strike. The dead early drivers will have to walk into the sidings to bring trains into service rather than relieving Night Tube drivers on the platforms. They'll probably have to book taxis for the W&C drivers or delay starting the service until 9am. |
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 3, 2018 9:08:33 GMT
I take it that Thursday night the last trains will run as booked? - unlike the winding down of the Picc line before their strike at 1pm? Negotiations are still ongoing, hence why there is no publicised information regarding service details over the hours leading up to it. The friends on the line I asked this morning also said it would be disingenuous to commit to timings at this stage. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 3, 2018 9:10:19 GMT
As someone who lives within walking distance of several Central Line stations all I can say is "oh dear" and "thankfully I won't need the trains this coming Friday". Its not that I won't be going out, rather that my journey will be walkable. I don't know if there will be any sort of replacement bus service but if there is then Thames Water works on the Cranbrook Road near the junction with Tanners Lane and Tesco will make a bad situation even worse. Two sets of closely spaced traffic signals (at least one of these is a 3 way junction!) are already creating travel chaos... Simon Replacement buses have to be arranged weeks (or months) in advance, the bus operators don't have enough drivers to cover anything other than their normal day-to-day working at such short notice (another "benefit" of privatisation). |
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Post by superteacher on Oct 3, 2018 9:18:36 GMT
What percentage of Central line drivers belong to ASLEF? Will the RMT drivers still be working?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 3, 2018 9:27:08 GMT
Replacement buses have to be arranged weeks (or months) in advance, the bus operators don't have enough drivers to cover anything other than their normal day-to-day working at such short notice (another "benefit" of privatisation). Surely 'twas ever thus, even before privatisation - even if drivers were available, spare buses cannot be conjured up out of thin air. More are available at weekends because peak demand is on weekdays - specifically for school work. |
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Post by brigham on Oct 3, 2018 10:54:38 GMT
Seemingly, years ago one of my mum's uncles drove a double-decker down from Tyneside during a London bus strike.
THAT must have taken some time at 20MPH!
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Post by Chris M on Oct 3, 2018 11:33:31 GMT
What percentage of Central line drivers belong to ASLEF? Will the RMT drivers still be working? commented in a post on his blog that last time there was a Central line drivers' strike (2014?) there was no service in the central area and a limited service at the ends of the line. I'd guess that would mean no service west of Leystonstone (or maybe Woodford) and east of White City or North Acton. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 3, 2018 12:36:04 GMT
What percentage of Central line drivers belong to ASLEF? Will the RMT drivers still be working? commented in a post on his blog that last time there was a Central line drivers' strike (2014?) there was no service in the central area and a limited service at the ends of the line. I'd guess that would mean no service west of Leystonstone (or maybe Woodford) and east of White City or North Acton. Leytonstone and White City as they are both are Train Crew depots plus the bus connections are better. From Woodford there's the 275, a double decker that goes to Walthamstow Central every 9-13 minutes and the W14, a small hopper bus that goes to Leytonstone High Road every 15 minutes but those the only non-Central Line stations you can get to from Woodford by bus! |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 3, 2018 15:49:06 GMT
At Bank earlier they were advising that if the strike goes ahead they expect there to be no service on both Central and Waterloo and City lines. This could be genuine expectation, managing passenger expectations, a PR exercise (strike isn't as disruptive as it could be) or some combination.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 3, 2018 17:11:04 GMT
What percentage of Central line drivers belong to ASLEF? Will the RMT drivers still be working? There are 322 ASLEF members on the Central Line, I'm not sure how many drivers there are in total on the Central Line, I think the last time I counted it was around 500 so 60/40ish. If the strike goes ahead I suspect there won't be many RMT drivers crossing the picket line as the grievances affect them too.
When I started work this afternoon the ASLEF Rep (in uniform so not on union business) was deep in conversation with the RMT Rep. No talks today but a rumour that there might be a meeting at ACAS tomorrow evening which will probably be too late. |
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Post by drainrat on Oct 3, 2018 18:06:09 GMT
What percentage of Central line drivers belong to ASLEF? Will the RMT drivers still be working? There are 322 ASLEF members on the Central Line, I'm not sure how many drivers there are in total on the Central Line, I think the last time I counted it was around 500 so 60/40ish. If the strike goes ahead I suspect there won't be many RMT drivers crossing the picket line as the grievances affect them too.
When I started work this afternoon the ASLEF Rep (in uniform so not on union business) was deep in conversation with the RMT Rep. No talks today but a rumour that there might be a meeting at ACAS tomorrow evening which will probably be too late. Lets not forget there's a fair few duels on the line, so a % doesn't give an accurate measure of what to expect |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 3, 2018 19:50:33 GMT
Lets not forget there's a fair few duels on the line What a wonderful mental image! T/op 1: <slaps T/op 2 with a glove> T/op 2: I will not have you insult my honour! Pistols at 20 paces. Dawn on Tuesday, westbound platform, Ruislip Gardens. |
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Post by drainrat on Oct 3, 2018 20:15:26 GMT
Lets not forget there's a fair few duels on the line What a wonderful mental image! T/op 1: <slaps T/op 2 with a glove> T/op 2: I will not have you insult my honour! Pistols at 20 paces. Dawn on Tuesday, westbound platform, Ruislip Gardens. Haha, yes, the story of our lives, duel/dual could easily be either/or where our unions involved 🙄 |
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Post by hobbayne on Oct 3, 2018 22:07:37 GMT
There may be a glimmer of hope. LUL have asked ASLEF for an urgent meeting tomorrow (4th) for talks at ACAS
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 4, 2018 9:05:05 GMT
The ASLEF Reps have been released for a meeting this afternoon
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Post by drainrat on Oct 4, 2018 9:12:07 GMT
So long as it's only the director who turned up the other day, may be a productive talk
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Post by aslefshrugged on Oct 4, 2018 13:51:35 GMT
The strike is on after talks broke down.
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