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Post by c5 on Jan 20, 2007 13:39:22 GMT
The entire Bakerloo line has been suspended because of Acid-etch Graffiti, which is believed to have been done north of Queen's Park. Only 6 trains were available for service.
Let's hope that the BTP are able to catch up with the culprits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2007 14:08:53 GMT
Were the trains vandalised in service, or were they in service?
Hope BTP get some good CCTV.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 20, 2007 14:31:45 GMT
Also lets hope that the punishment the culprits receive fits the crime. Three years unpaid community service cleaning graffiti from LU trains would fit the bill.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2007 17:17:30 GMT
with hatchet -> fingers chop off!- only solution i know this are hard words!
this are Bad-Guys (brainless and stupid Teenagers!!!!) from the "lower-layer society" (live on the social office >>Social welfare provision<<)
i have no more words!!!
greetings
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2007 18:05:47 GMT
The situation at Waterloo was starting to creak slightly, with only the Jubilee available for north-south travels, when I went through around 1400 or so.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 20, 2007 18:10:53 GMT
If it were Oysterable I suspect that people would be directed to take SWT to Vauxhall and use the Victoria Line.
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Post by bwhughes on Jan 20, 2007 22:09:28 GMT
This is an appalling act   Only a minority of teenagers (let alone people in general) would simultanously deface and possibly damage a great majority of a fleet. If only SIX trains out of a fleet of 63 (if I am correct - I looked on TfL's article of 72 TS and that is how many were built) were available... that means FIFTY SEVEN TRAINS would have to be taken out of service - acid etch damage might take a while to repair, so getting them back on the line will take at least several days. I haven't heard of any other vandal action that has had such a knock-on effect as this. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 20, 2007 22:17:06 GMT
The line is now open and running with minor delays, so presumably most of the trains are cleaned/repaired sufficiently to run in service.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2007 22:29:16 GMT
This is an appalling act Only a minority of teenagers (let alone people in general) would simultanously deface and possibly damage a great majority of a fleet. If only SIX trains out of a fleet of 63 (if I am correct - I looked on TfL's article of 72 TS and that is how many were built) were available... that means FIFTY SEVEN TRAINS would have to be taken out of service - acid etch damage might take a while to repair, so getting them back on the line will take at least several days. I haven't heard of any other vandal action that has had such a knock-on effect as this. There are only 30something trains on the Bakerloo. 33 are needed for peak service. This is still a terribly high number of damaged trains though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2007 23:09:07 GMT
Oysterable... now theres a word!
Speaking of such, I was speaking to a Ticket Clerk at East Finchley [handed in someones lost card] I coyly asked him what the chances are of getting other TOC's to accept it... he suggested that they will be given a choice... Accept what we have to offer, or face having 'provisions' taken away... I had an idea that he meant access rights or agreements rescinded...
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Post by Chris M on Jan 20, 2007 23:16:51 GMT
Oysterable... now theres a word! It is far easier and quicker to say than "PAYG Oyster cards could be used"! |
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 20, 2007 23:53:55 GMT
I was at work from mid afternoon, It was suspended when I started. It resumed at 1555, from Elephant to Queens Park, but with severe delays, through services to Harrow resumed at 2050, and minor delays throughout the line.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:13:10 GMT
This acid etch stuff is lethal... hope they get burnt one day!
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Post by stanmorek on Jan 21, 2007 0:16:01 GMT
Didn't a depot cleaner get a nasty injury when it first started appearing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:25:23 GMT
Yeah, which is why we're told not to touch it...
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Post by stanmorek on Jan 21, 2007 0:25:40 GMT
Some people have the job of looking at different ways of cleaning up graffiti on trains - "Rolling Stock Ambience Engineers" - they've even categorised the different types of graffiti.
Someone was looking at sanding down and buffing up window panes with acid etch damage instead of having to replace them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:29:19 GMT
Why not just have misted/frosted windows anyway... or better still... go back to the Padded Cell Concept!!!
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Post by stanmorek on Jan 21, 2007 0:33:54 GMT
All I know is what a friend told me when he worked on the project a while back. I wasn't sure if the method was accepted as obviously there's a limit to how much of the glass surface that can be removed and leave the window strong enough for service.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:39:05 GMT
Which is why the sacrifical film is applied to windows... before, it depended on how deep the scratchings were... too deep and it was replaced... £800 a time!
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Post by Chris M on Jan 21, 2007 0:46:09 GMT
If they could catch the vandals it would really stop them short if they had to fork out £800 for each window they damaged. If they couldn't afford £800 then they can work off the debt. Which works out at just under 150 hours at the current minimum wage rate for over 18s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:47:41 GMT
if you look at it, £800 a window, say there are 20 per car, 8 cars, 160 x £800.
Yeah.
The system of getting vandals to work off their debt was tried a few years ago with Orpington Bus Garage, who caught seven teenage vandals trashing buses... the punishment??? Three months cleaning buses... By the end of it, they were in tears...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:52:06 GMT
I wonder if Autoglass stock 160 72mkII windows ;D
I suppose LU has to have them made to order so they must be expensive. They can't be that bad though as they are double glazed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:54:32 GMT
it's toughened glass...
Strangely you mention that, rob, LU had to use ebay recently to look for spare parts!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 0:56:40 GMT
maybe they will strip the 67s of loads of parts when they retire for spares on the Bakerloo.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 21, 2007 1:02:07 GMT
Isn't the plan to remarshal the 72s with some 67 trailer cars to make extra trains?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 1:03:44 GMT
yes, but I doubt that the Bakerloo will need 44 (?) extra trains!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 1:04:50 GMT
Don't forget also, there's the plan to send the Bakerloo back to Wattyford!
I say PLAN, because I think this will be unlikely to happen, however with Silverlink jettisioning the Watford - Euston DC Locals to TfL from November.... Who Knows What Will Happen?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 9:25:41 GMT
There is an article in the latest 'Metronet Matters' about sacrificial glazing and vinyl 'paint' on c-stock.
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Post by Tom on Jan 21, 2007 13:01:28 GMT
There is an article in the latest 'Metronet Matters' about sacrificial glazing and vinyl 'paint' on c-stock. Complete with a Senior Vice President wearing neither a Bump Cap or a Hi-Vi. Leading by example?? |
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 21, 2007 13:22:08 GMT
He is management, rules don't apply to him.
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