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Post by Antje on Sept 18, 2023 22:04:38 GMT
When and where can I have my say about the line names? I'm kinda lost because the TfL consultation hub has no entry on the subject.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 19, 2023 0:15:54 GMT
AIUI they're only consulting travellers in person, so you have to be in the right place at the right time. No, I don't know when or where that is.
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Post by goldenarrow on Sept 19, 2023 0:22:45 GMT
There is no public consultation in the traditional sense for this project. Over the summer the design agency DNCO has been conducting research through vox pops, community groups and cultural institutions located across the Overground network in addition to drawing from museum archives, published material and online sources (including this forum). This is then condensed into a framework of themes against which to generate names. Details as to what has been decided on will be publicly announced towards the end of the year.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 19, 2023 19:19:22 GMT
I await the new names with trepidation.
No doubt they will be inclusive (etc) but does does not mean logical, appropriate, meaningful or easy to remember.
By way of example, I would not like to see the Euston - Watford service renamed back to Harlequin.
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Post by trainwizard on Sept 19, 2023 20:01:14 GMT
Over the summer the design agency DNCO has been conducting research through ... online sources (including this forum). *clears throat* Hi DNCO and TfL! By the way, Goblin sounds like an amazing name, doesn't it? Who doesn't love Goblins? Maybe you should name one of the overground lines Goblin - how about that one from Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside. It's an amazing acronym: Gospel Oak to Barking riverside LINe. Don't we all love clever acronyms! You can make a cute Goblin mascot, and put it on posters, make merch for the Transport Museum, get some YouTubers to make videos. Goblins are an underrepresented minority, and many discriminatory tropes exist about this wonderful species - wouldn't you want to be inclusive to these unique creatures? And Goblins are green; what an amazing way to highlight TfL's commitment to clean energy! Can we just keep the Goblin Line? Please???🥺
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Post by trt on Sept 23, 2023 11:23:08 GMT
Hobbits.
But the thing is the service in the other direction would be a nilbog.
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Post by orienteer on Sept 24, 2023 16:45:17 GMT
Well they don't have loos....
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 23, 2023 11:16:12 GMT
Just for once, a reasonable suggestion in the Guardian: linkMay be more luck than judgement that he fits the contours exactly, but that being the case, it wouldn't set a precedent for other lines or branches.
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Post by trainwizard on Dec 23, 2023 11:59:22 GMT
Just for once, a reasonable suggestion in the Guardian: linkMay be more luck than judgement that he fits the contours exactly, but that being the case, it wouldn't set a precedent for other lines or branches. Seems like a good idea, but he'd likely be competing with the popular suggestion of Brunel (builder of the Thames Tunnel) for the East London Line.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 23, 2023 20:04:38 GMT
I prefer Brunel - shorter and easier on the tongue
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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 24, 2023 10:57:11 GMT
It might make for some confusing announcements!
Turn right for the Wright Line The Wright Line is not running right
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 24, 2023 11:19:10 GMT
It might make for some confusing announcements! Turn right for the Wright Line The Wright Line is not running right Yes, that's true, but, as he's still alive, he might easily be persuaded to do pre-recorded announcements! I'm not a Crystal Palace or Arsenal fan, btw, but that voice also has a certain ring to it. On the Brunel theme, definitely a big contender because Sir Marc began the tunnel as well as I K-B taking it over. However, neither of those envisaged or purposed the tunnel as a railway line-ooh, controversy,or not.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 24, 2023 21:27:21 GMT
It might make for some confusing announcements! Turn right for the Wright Line The Wright Line is not running right Nothing can be more confusing than when a mainline train operating company used the word 'One' as a marketing name for its services eg, this announcement: "We apologise that the One oh One One service to London Liverpool Street is running one minute late"
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Post by Alight on Jan 11, 2024 13:52:03 GMT
Can we just keep the Goblin Line? Please??? The only problem here is the tautology! If the "lin" is short for "line" then calling it the "Goblin line" will equate to "Gospel Oak to Barking line line"!
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 13, 2024 15:59:25 GMT
Reminds me of an old radio comedy skit. Someone with a touch of beriberi was sent to Baden-Baden for the cure cure.
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 14, 2024 9:39:53 GMT
Can we just keep the Goblin Line? Please??? The only problem here is the tautology! If the "lin" is short for "line" then calling it the "Goblin line" will equate to "Gospel Oak to Barking line line"! Calling a station 'Battersea Power Station Station' certainly didn't seem to faze TfL so I'd be surprised if this did.
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Post by trainwizard on Jan 14, 2024 13:18:43 GMT
The only problem here is the tautology! If the "lin" is short for "line" then calling it the "Goblin line" will equate to "Gospel Oak to Barking line line"! As I've said before, I really don't think it would matter. PIN number, LCD display, ATM machine, HIV virus, etc. are all commonly used. And people that don't like it can just call it "The Goblin".
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 14, 2024 14:16:19 GMT
I'm 64 and am beginning to wonder ... will I live long enough to see the new names announced?
Or is it that the chosen names will be so contentious that we will not learn them until after this year's London Mayoral elections - in case this issue affects how people vote? I desperately hope not!
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Post by trainwizard on Jan 14, 2024 15:28:28 GMT
TfL's website says the changes will be made by the end of 2024. I've also seen December 2024 reported as well. Either way, it's quite after the mayoral election. (Edit: see goldenarrow 's reply) Regardless of the result, people will dislike the names. Too short, too long, not local, too technical, not diverse, too woke, etc. It's impossible to please everyone. I think I'll just be happy if we have names, Goblin or not.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jan 14, 2024 18:18:24 GMT
Details will be announced in February. End of the year remains the target for implementing all of the changes
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 15, 2024 15:15:10 GMT
Regardless of the result, people will dislike the names. Too short, too long, not local, too technical, not diverse, too woke, etc. It's impossible to please everyone. I think I'll just be happy if we have names, Goblin or not. So February it is ... as an aside, this year (2024) is a leap year - so they have an extra day to share the information with everyone. I'll be peeved if both Goblin and Brunel are not included. I'll be astonished if Harlequin *is* included (again).
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Post by silenthunter on Jan 18, 2024 15:54:17 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Jan 21, 2024 1:15:44 GMT
The Romford - Emerson Park - Upminster line might become:
Rup, Rominster, Upford - or, for clarity, Emerson or Park
Wykeham will be a tongue twister for some people
I also thought of more fun names - shuttle (because its almost a short shuttle line) or Tennis (green fields, three stations somewhat like two players a net in the middle)
I then ruled out Shuttle because perhaps it can be confusing, eg: if ever the line runs a shuttle service between just two of its stations...
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Post by brigham on Jan 23, 2024 9:55:24 GMT
It would certainly be good to include Wykehamists!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 15, 2024 6:24:17 GMT
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Post by elshad on Feb 15, 2024 7:39:33 GMT
Support the overall idea of naming the lines but I’m afraid some of these names are a bit jarring and don’t roll off the tongue particularly easily. Particularly disappointed about the GOBLIN, it really should have been called the Goblin line!
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Post by A60stock on Feb 15, 2024 7:42:32 GMT
Whilst the names in their own right are very nice, I don't think they're right in the context of naming a rail service. They should have been named according to what the line is and does. Not to also mention that they are not exactly the easiest names of the tongue in some cases.
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Post by Deep Level on Feb 15, 2024 8:04:54 GMT
I feel like this is a good opportunity to bring the Elizabeth line under the LO brand, let's be fair it's not hugely dissimilar to the ELL (or Windrush line). Although personally I think TfL like the fact that it's regularly mistaken for a tube line.
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Post by trainwizard on Feb 15, 2024 8:10:21 GMT
The names aren't bad at all. It's clear that TfL weren't going with geographical names, as much as I love the Goblin. As they have gone for cultural names, it is refreshing to see that they haven't named it after someone, but rather groups of people in some cases. I don't have any criticisms for the names: they aren't too long, they can't be confused with other lines, and they can probably last over time if the public adopts them. The separate colours are also welcome, and I think they are separate enough that they will be able to untangle the orange spaghetti without adding too much extra information that could lead to confusion. TfL released a possible August 2024 tube map with the new colours and it looks much better. Regardless of the result, people will dislike the names. Too short, too long, not local, too technical, not diverse, too woke, etc. It's impossible to please everyone. I think I'll just be happy if we have names, Goblin or not. People are just generally wary to change, but over time we'll get used to the new names and it'll definitely be better than before. I wonder if they have a name and colour prepared for the West London Orbital, or if that'll be a future decision.
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Post by gantshill on Feb 15, 2024 8:42:48 GMT
The names aren't bad at all. I like the reasoning behind the names as well. My worry is purely alphabetical, as there will be two Overground lines beginning with a W (along with the Waterloo & City line), and two beginning with Li. I could imagine just seeing the beginning of a travel update and wondering if "my" line was affected. Although as currently a part suspension of the Overground might be in an entirely different part of London, then at least it will reduce confusion.
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