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Post by Chris M on Mar 13, 2024 13:15:51 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 13, 2024 13:48:57 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 13, 2024 23:45:04 GMT
Its great that an autumn 2024 map has already been released but I'm trying to remember summer 2024 - my mind draws a blank. What happened - did we swap seasons with Australia?
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Post by Alight on Mar 14, 2024 0:11:44 GMT
'How The New Overground Map Colours Were Chosen' from Geoff Marshall: Interesting response to why the orange wasn't retained, so they would then only need 5 additional colours. The interviewee says it is so there wasn't bias shown to any one of the listing LO lines, however I'd have thought the obvious contender would be the Windrush line, given its ELL history. The interviewee also said it was good to have six lines change colours in one unified change. I am glad the justification wasn't merely because of the orange being used to represent the modal brand; this would have been easily counterweighted by the fact the Central line is in Underground red. The question about "parallel lines" being used for the non-Underground modes on the Tube map (and now the National Rail map too). The justification was these represent longer distances / lower frequencies, but this isn't necessarily true for the tram or DLR. The reality is they're using this technique for all the non-Underground modes, regardless of what type of rail they are, which is is a nod to the former 'Tube' focus of the map, whereby all non-Underground modes are treated as 'other'. However, the consensus these days is the "Tube Map" does not revolve around LU any more than any other mode and why should it when there are a range of TfL services included. The Metropolitan line has different stopping patterns and also covers a vast difference - could this not have parallel lines? Yes it is an LU line, but the interviewee is claiming the parallel lines help the user differentiate between service type e.g. bigger trains, frequency etc. The end of the videos debates merits and pitfalls of the DLR being split out in the future, acknowledging that the in-car diagrams already differentiate and maybe one day the full Tube map could be reviewed again.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 14, 2024 1:55:42 GMT
Its great that an autumn 2024 map has already been released but I'm trying to remember summer 2024 - my mind draws a blank. What happened - did we swap seasons with Australia? Autumn 2024 coincides with the implementation of the LO line name changes, which will happen after the summer.
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Post by logical on Mar 14, 2024 14:45:28 GMT
Personally, I think it's time to rethink the fare zone labelling. I've seen alternative 'tube' maps where the zone is shown after the station name e.g. Dagenham East (5), Leytonstone (3/4). Finding a different solution to this (whatever it may be), will enable the designers to recreate the map with clearer proportions and spacing, rather than being constricted by the current zone bandings.
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Post by elshad on Mar 15, 2024 23:33:36 GMT
'How The New Overground Map Colours Were Chosen' from Geoff Marshall: At around 11:40 the gentleman explains that the roundels still say Overground and not “Mildmay” because Overground is the name of the system. Absolutely right… just a shame the same logic wasn’t applied to Crossrail / Elizabeth line
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Post by ijmad on Mar 16, 2024 20:52:53 GMT
Now the Orange is freed up maybe they can use it for a future line like Crossrail 2 or the Northern line split.
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Antje
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Post by Antje on Apr 22, 2024 5:44:08 GMT
Out of curiosity, what are the Pantone values for the six new lines, as well as the light magenta Thameslink route on the tube map?
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Post by ijmad on Apr 25, 2024 10:46:50 GMT
Re: Labour's pledge to renationalise the railways if they are elected (seems likely) I wonder if this will lead to further devolution of suburban services in South London to TfL.
If so, I wonder are these services likely to end up under the Overground mode and thus require names too? How many can we have before names become to difficult for people to remember/understand I wonder. A dozen more?
We may yet need numbers or letters.
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Post by trainwizard on Apr 25, 2024 12:27:32 GMT
I think the easiest and most logical way to name potential South London services would be by their terminus, such as in alicarr's South London Metro Map or in the map on page 9 of the Strategic Case for Metroisation. I think the bigger concern is fitting them on the tube map: either by making a larger tube map, or potentially removing the Overground from the map.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 25, 2024 21:01:59 GMT
How many different colour shades can the human eye detect? Would this be nearing the limit?
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Post by Chris M on Apr 25, 2024 21:17:26 GMT
The human eye can detect millions (at least) different shades of colours (or at least those with "normal" vision). What it can't do is distinguish that many, however careful placement of colours and reuse of colours with different patterns (e.g. TfL Rail and the Piccadilly line used the same shade of blue, the Weaver line and Metropolitan line will use the same shade of maroon; the Black and White tube map uses 18 different patterns) can significantly reduce the number needed.
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Post by Chris L on Apr 26, 2024 5:53:57 GMT
How many different colour shades can the human eye detect? Would this be nearing the limit? The problems come if they continue to use vitreous enamel signage. It was impossible to produce the Elizabeth line purple. (The lead architect refused to use vitreous enamel which explains the extensive use of very expensive glass in the core section.) There are limits so the traditional supplier used to suggest suitable colours.
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