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Post by superteacher on Nov 5, 2018 12:34:21 GMT
Sad news if this tweet by Geoff Marshall is accurate:
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 5, 2018 13:01:37 GMT
Pure and simple vandalism. What's the official rubbish reason?
They could make a cracking exhibit of it given what's below ground & pull the tourists in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 13:18:12 GMT
brown stuff :-(
Can it not be saved by converting it to 'affordable' flats for Russian money laundering?
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 5, 2018 13:19:22 GMT
Pure and simple vandalism.  What's the official rubbish reason? They could make a cracking exhibit of it given what's below ground & pull the tourists in. FIFU "We can't have this tatty old thing next to our supa dupa glass and sh*te monument" If they took it down carefully they could sell the tiles as souvenirs |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 5, 2018 13:19:58 GMT
Its being demolished for HS2 along with the Bree Louise
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 5, 2018 13:22:45 GMT
Its being demolished for HS2 along with everything else. It's been guesstimated that the journey to B'ham will be reduced by 20 minutes, don't know if that's true or not.  |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 5, 2018 13:37:16 GMT
What a shame that a unique building that moved billions is being demolished with no recognition. I am of course referring to Coburg St control room behind this identikit building that moved thousands. There's plenty of other oxblood buildings around the capital. No flowers. Edit to add: Click/tap here if em embedded tweet fails to display. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 5, 2018 14:09:52 GMT
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Post by ducatisti on Nov 5, 2018 14:13:46 GMT
I'm with Rincewind on this (not just because he's a mod...)
It's an old tatty building of a sort we have lots of well-looked after ones. It's being demolished for new transport infrastructure and because the old building has been rendered irrelevant by a better arrangement (ie proper integration with the mainline station).
It wasn't the first building on that site, and it won't be the last. When it was built it was unwanted (by some) progress.
the Bree Louise was a sad loss, mind, but not for the building,
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 5, 2018 14:14:36 GMT
As the control room building is on the west side of Coburg Street, it is not in the way of the HS2 Euston terminal. Good news! I'm still not mourning the loss of the oxblood building, plenty other like it and a fair few that are actually better! |
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Post by trt on Nov 5, 2018 15:02:37 GMT
The insides are pretty ropey looking now anyway. For the record, I don't agree with HS2 as it is for various reasons, but this building is the last visible vestige of the old layout of Euston underground. When it is gone, it is gone.
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 5, 2018 15:09:50 GMT
Good riddance. Sooner it goes, the sooner we can stop hearing about people decrying this.
It's no Doric Arch. There are numerous other, better examples. It has zero notability. Just demolish it already.
It's called progress - or shall we all go back to running trains with someone walking in front with a flag?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 5, 2018 15:16:56 GMT
As the former control room building is on the west side of Coburg Street, it is not in the way of the HS2 Euston terminal. No longer operationally significant. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 5, 2018 15:47:49 GMT
Good riddance. Sooner it goes, the sooner we can stop hearing about people decrying this. It's no Doric Arch. There are numerous other, better examples. It has zero notability. Just demolish it already. It's called progress - or shall we all go back to running trains with someone walking in front with a flag? Any reason why not? Seriously, why not incorporate it within the HS2 station building & make it into both an historic and new station building in one hit? |
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 5, 2018 15:59:19 GMT
Because why spend x billion pounds and have to make numerous compromises to retain something that isn't significant?
If it were the last Leslie Green building left, maybe. As it is... it isn't important. At all.
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Post by trt on Nov 5, 2018 16:09:29 GMT
Because why spend x billion pounds and have to make numerous compromises to retain something that isn't significant? If it were the last Leslie Green building left, maybe. As it is... it isn't important. At all. Whereas if it were a red cube under a large glass canopy, which housed some retail unit or something... would look stunning. Actually... this is loads of ventilation and cabling and the like, isn't it? So what ARE they going to do with that? Intercept the cabling just under floor level and knock it sideways and then just have a shaft going up to the roof for the ventilation? Is this under trackbed or part of the concourse? I know they intended to build offices and the like as a second and third decks at one point... is that still going ahead? EDIT I had a look around and found Grimshaw had some drawings online... if you look beyond the childish scribblings, is that Gordon Street now closed off to traffic and turned into an underground entrance? What about the Met/Circle/H&C line? There's so little detail in those sketching that it is hard to make out. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 5, 2018 16:18:43 GMT
Because why spend x billion pounds and have to make numerous compromises to retain something that isn't significant? If it were the last Leslie Green building left, maybe. As it is... it isn't important. At all. How about this as an alternative suggestion; why not number it, transport it & re-erect it (for a very nominal fee) to Epping & Ongar Railway as the station building for a repositioned Blake Hall station (to which costs a contribution could also be made)? There's up-cycling, preserving heritage and good neighbourliness in one fell swoop. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 5, 2018 16:34:29 GMT
Because why spend x billion pounds and have to make numerous compromises to retain something that isn't significant? If it were the last Leslie Green building left, maybe. As it is... it isn't important. At all. You could turn that around & say why waste y billion on HS2 anyway. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 5, 2018 16:49:55 GMT
You could turn that around & say why waste y billion on HS2 anyway. Fair enough, I've edited it out, apologies, too. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 5, 2018 16:56:42 GMT
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Post by 35b on Nov 6, 2018 7:12:16 GMT
Because why spend x billion pounds and have to make numerous compromises to retain something that isn't significant? If it were the last Leslie Green building left, maybe. As it is... it isn't important. At all. How about this as an alternative suggestion; why not number it, transport it & re-erect it (for a very nominal fee) to Epping & Ongar Railway as the station building for a repositioned Blake Hall station (to which costs a contribution could also be made)? There's up-cycling, preserving heritage and good neighbourliness in one fell swoop. And how does that preserve or respect the heritage of the Ongar branch? |
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Post by brigham on Nov 6, 2018 8:31:59 GMT
I was wondering why an iconic tube station design would be suitable for a rural backwater such as Blake Hall.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 6, 2018 8:35:49 GMT
I was wondering why an iconic tube station design would be suitable for a rural backwater such as Blake Hall. Well, it wouldn't be would it. If it was the last of its kind I could understand a better case for preservation but it's not so I don't.  |
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Post by superteacher on Nov 6, 2018 8:38:14 GMT
It would look seriously out of place in the middle of the Essex countryside!
I think it’s a shame when we lose old buildings, but I agree that there are lots of other examples of this type. If it was the only one left, it would be a different argument altogether.
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Post by brigham on Nov 6, 2018 8:44:32 GMT
I think the words 'demolition' and 'Euston' in juxtaposition start things off on the wrong foot.
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Post by miff on Nov 6, 2018 10:06:53 GMT
I really hope they don’t try to reinstate that vastly overrated Arch thing that people seem to bring up (including a few stones from the bottom of the river) every few years.
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 6, 2018 10:28:39 GMT
Well, in reply to you all,
It isn't the last of its' kind by a long chalk, but, if one such gets simply junked, then how long before the likes of South Kentish Town, Down Street & York Road, all of no use to passengers now, as is Eversholt Street of course, go the same way-after all, the developers would say, plenty of the same sort of extant stations still in use, so......? And then, developers being developers---"Look, this faence tiling's all very well, but it's long since been proved, by all the examples of it that have had to be demolished or updated, that doesn't let the light in/isn't very good for customer flows, so let's rebuild them all".
We have an example of up-cycling in Marlborough Road station, which was turned into a restaurant post-war & has served as several different such eateries since. Now, there's a thought for a repositioned Euston CCE & HR building-ticket guichets as serving hatches. Plan C, could also be re-positioned anywhere in that guise, could it not? We know the exact date it opened & closed, we could use the same menus as the Savoy, Claridges & The Ritz had on those dates.
Back on answers-EOR itself can't help but celebrate the Tube as part of its' heritage, because Tube trains ran through it between 1957-1993. So, they may or may not have been incongruous in the Essex Countryside in the first place, but there they were, and they became a part of it.
However, if they only form a part of that heritage, perhaps celebrating that part could be confined to one and only one historic Tube station building? The rest could celebrate the GER/LNER/BR Eastern Region heritage as appropriate or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 11:57:50 GMT
I love slippery slope arguments :-)
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Post by trt on Nov 6, 2018 13:09:08 GMT
They could carefully remove the bricks and sell them as souvenirs to raise funds...
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Post by stapler on Nov 6, 2018 13:21:46 GMT
We could do with a place to re-erect worthy buildings as they have in Helsinki, or the Weald and Downland Museum here. We don't, that apart have a very enviable record...eg, the saving of Lawrence of Arabia's bungalow in the 1930s, and its re-erection (now unfortunately next to a set of diesel pumps) at Loughton.
Perhaps this one could be reerected in a corner of the Olympic Park...after all, are supposed to be the relics of the Arch, in the Bow Back Rivers?
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